LL-L "Terminology" 2006.05.02 (03) [E]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 02 May 2006 * Volume 03
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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Terminology" 2006.04.30 (07) [A/D]

Hi all,

Rikus, Afrikaans is the mother tongue of 'white' people who trace their 
lineage back to the convergence of Dutch and Low Saxon sailors, French 
Huguenots (1652-1806), and after 1806 some English speakers.

The largest group of Afrikaans mother tongue speakers are 'Coloured' or 
mixed race people from Malay, Khoisan and Bantu stock.

I hope this answers your question.

Regards,
Elsie Zinsser
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From: Rikus Kiers <kiersbv at tiscali.nl>
> It is almost only spoken by originally Dutchspeaking people.

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Terminology" 2006.05.01 (02) [A/D/E]

Hi all,

Thanks, Ingmar, Paul and Marcel for your views.

Ingmar, I do not feel offended that you assumed that the Boer and Afrikaner
constitute the same political grouping. It is a typical eurocentric 
viewpoint but
now you can go forward and educate the masses that white Afrikaans speaking
South Africans are not one homogenous group, as is assumed.

Yes, you are right that the terms have become heavy-laden in South Africa 
but not
necessarily outside the country. Heck, the international media got more 
leverage
from showing the stereotypical white Afrikaans speaker as conservative 
supremacist
falling off his horse but within the country we saw that juxtaposed by the 
moderate
Afrikaner who was trying to forge political change.

I also suspect that the terminologies Boer/Afrikaner relate more to people's 
reaction to
racial segregation than to the political and social system itself. I have 
yet to meet someone
who calls himself a Boer who felt immense sorrow, pain and indignation 
towards an immoral
system absolutely at odds with the Christian teaching that he so loudly 
proclaims.

I doubt strongly that Beyers Naude, Breyten Breytenbach, Van Zyl Slabbert, 
Giliomee and
Max du Preez would refer to themselves as Boere.

Regards,
Elsie Zinsser

>Ingmar:
>Am I right if I guess that it has to do with the history of Apartheid that 
>terms like Boer and Afrikaander
have become heavy-laden in South Africa, but not necessarily outside the 
country?

>Marcel Bas:
>In 1707 riep de jonge Hendrik Bibault tegen de Hollandse landdrost "'k Ben 
>een Afrikaander!" Dit is de vroegste optekening
van het woord, waarbij het een identiteit aanduidde.

>Paul Finlow-Bates:
Always an awkward question, how people take "popular" names for 
nationalities.

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Terminology" 2006.05.02 (02) [E]

Hi all,

I am not sure why Marcel feels it is a sad thing that some Afrikaners 
consider themselves
Boere and why others do not. It is a personal identity and is part and 
parcel of ones political,
social and economic history.

The Afrikaner/Boer delineation is actually seen within very close Afrikaans 
speaking families
and is strongly related to the political viewpoints of individuals within 
those families. This is what
democracy is about.

In my family we consider ourselves Afrikaner rather than Boer and we were 
and still are humbly proud
of our heritage, culture and language. That despite one sister being married 
to an American, two brothers
to English speaking women, and my children's father having been a German. 
Within my family we have
Dutch Reformers, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Methodists and Agnostics.

I can only hope that those who consider themselves Boers are also willing to 
embrace all other groupings
and voices within our diverse country and ultimately just be proudly South 
African.

Regards,
Elsie Zinsser
To me this Boer/Afrikaner division is very sad and symptomatical for this 
small nation's dividedness. No matter how small the Afrikaans speaking 
nation is in a predominantly Bantu country with an increasingly 
anti-Afrikaans government & atmosphere, the Boers still feel that there is a 
great gap between them and Afrikaners, that they are different, etc. And the
default Afrikaners feel they don't want to unite with Boers either. 

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