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L O W L A N D S - L * 03 October 2006 * Volume 04
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From: 'Andy Eagle' [andy at scots-online.org]
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.10.03 (03) [E]

Frank wrote:
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology'

>Hi Luc, all,

>I wrote:
>> 1.
>> - OED: In English, the k is now silent, alike in educated speech and in
>> most of the dialects; but it was pronounced apparently till about middle
>> of
>> the 17th c. In the later 17th and early 18th c., writers on pronunciation
>> give the value of the combination as = hn, tn, dn or simple n.

>Luc Hellinckx replied:
>> Just for your information: Western Brabantish usually has _tn_ too for
>> initial _kn_, e.g. "tnien" for "knie" (D) [etc.]

>Interesting, I never heard (about) it! Thanks for the information.

>But since I am still hoping to get some feedback on the English
>question,...
>Can this phenomenon (kn- > tn- ) be found in contemporary English dialects?
>Or in English historical documents (maybe as a kind of 'slip of the pen')?

It occurs in South Northern Scots
(http://www.scots-online.org/grammar/snscots.htm)

"§ 123. Initial kn becomes tn, as in tnife, tneel, tnowe, tnock, etc., as it
does in e.Per. The pronunciation is not so common in e.Ags. and does not
occur in the Mearns. It is found in Arbroath and neighbourhood, as evidenced
by Salmond’s My Man Sandy, but not in Montrose and Brechin. It is known also
in the town of Forfar, where it is embedded in a local place-name — viz. the
“Gallet Nowe” — i.e. “The Gallow Knowe” [ˈgalət nʌu]. The change arises
through a regressive assimilation. See § 27.2."
(http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/INTRO/intro2.php\?num=24)

Andy Eagle

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