LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.09.02 (01) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 02 September 2006 * Volume 01
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From: 'Marcel Bas' [roepstem at hotmail.com]
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.09.01 (03) [E]

Hi Karl-Heinz!

You wrote:

> In German this would be geilt-geilst-geilt-geilen-geilt-geilen. In
>some German and Dutch varieties it would be „jeilt/jeild“. So I wonder, if the
>English etymological equivalent is “yield”. What about that? Just a thought.

As far as I know (I don't have my etymological dictionary at hand) _yield_ is
related to German _Geld_. Hence _sich gelten_. _geil_ could be at least related
to _glue_, but my impression is that this is a derivative from a Romance
language. Anyway, I think that the basic maening of all words related to _geil_
should be traced back to something like _fatty_, _slibbery_, _fertile_ and the
like. Cf. G. _gleiten_, E. _glide_, D. _glijden and _glad_, etc.

Best regards,

Marcel.

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From: Pat Reynolds [pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk] 
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.08.30 (02) [A/E]

n message <200608301550.k7UFo85E018674 at listserv.linguistlist.org>,
Lowlands-L <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net> writes
> From: 'Mark Dreyer' [mrdreyer at lantic.net]
>> Subject: LL-L 'Etymology'---Knickerbocker(s)
>
>> traditional item of dress of those days in that community; short
>> knee-pants - Knietjebroeke. >

Thanks, Mark. I had a look in WNT, and they first record _knietbroeke_
in 1944.

This does seem to me to be the right explanation, though.

With thanks,

Pat
-- 
Pat Reynolds
pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk
"It might look a bit messy now,
but just you come back in 500 years time"
(T. Pratchett)

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From: 'jonny' [jonny.meibohm at arcor.de] 
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.09.01 (03) [E]

Beste Ben,

you wrote:
> I've always thought that brat came somehow from Britanny.

Wow- then we've closed the circle: from 'breton' to 'brat' and to LS 'Briit'. We
just still need the blessing of our master ;-)...

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: 'jonny' [jonny.meibohm at arcor.de] 
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.09.01 (03) [E]

Beste Karl-Heinz,

you wrote about G: _geil_:
> So I wonder, if
> the
> English etymological equivalent is “yield”.

What about 'gale'? And have a look at French 'Gaillard'! In LS we have got the
word 'Göl', which means a bacchantic feast, 'Saufgelage'. In all languages it
denotes any ebulient matters.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: Paul Tatum [ptatum at blueyonder.co.uk] 
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.09.01 (03) [E]

Hello Ron et al.,

This is not exactly relevant to the etymology of 'brat', but my copy of
'Enquire Within' says that the sixteenth century poet Thomas Tusser
wrote in his 'Hundreth Good Pointes of Husbandrie':

"Take heede how thou laiest the bane for the rates,
Lest thou poison thy servant, thyself and thy brats"

The word doesn't seem very derogatory in this verse purportedly
addressed to someone who can employ servants, but it is probably being
used because it rhymes, regardless of its connotations.

I thought one possible connection for brat is ONorse 'braDr' (long a, D
= eth) meaning 'sudden, hasty' but your mileage may vary.

TTFN Paul Tatum.

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