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L O W L A N D S - L  -  28 October 2007 - Volume 03
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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.27 (01) [E]

From: Sandy Fleming < sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2007.10.25 (06) [E/German]

In the UK a city is usually defined as a place with cathedral (which is
the seat of a bishop, as I understand it). This means that since there
are few cathedrals in Scotland, there are few cities, and one of them is
the small town of Kirkwall in Orkney because of the magnificent St
Magnus Cathedral there.

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

This is a cart before the horse situation, at least in England; a city is a
city by Royal Charter.  Leicester only became a city in the early 20thC, and
then St. Martin's, the biggest mediaeval church, became the cathedral.

In Derby it was even later - the 1980's. The city now has a cathedral, and a
Cathedral Road, but only since then.

On the other hand, the huge churches at Southwell (Nottinghamshire) and
Beverley (Yorkshire), though episcopal centres, are "Minsters", and neither
town is a city. Nottingham has been a city for far longer than either of its
neighbours Leicester and Derby, but doesn't have a cathedral as it falls
under Southwell.

In England, cities make cathedrals, not the other way round.

Scotland may well be different.

On a separate issue of "towns", I find it interesting that while England and
Scotland are littered with "ton" names from Anglo-Saxon tun (enclosure),
when I look at maps of other Lowlands, and indeed Germanic, countries, I
don't see any counterparts.

Paul Finlow-Bates

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