LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.06.28 (02) [E/German]

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From: Joachim Kreimer-de Fries <Kreimer at jpberlin.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.06.28 (01) [E/Berl.]

Een wunderscheen'n, Ron,
Tach ooch, vaehrteste Jenossin'n und Jenossen,

Am 27.06.2008 um 23:25 schrieb R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com

Not that I would want to detract from the essence, but I feel obligated to
tweak something in your data.

Do you think that in the Brandenburg dialects of Berlin /ee/ and /ey/ were
leveled to /ee/, and /oo/ and /ou/ to /oo/?


Jawollja, keen Diphtong meer bai "ee" und "oo", det secht meen insjesamt
achßeen(18)jeerjet Anheeren von Berlin'schen Ureenwoonan (aborigines) -
zwölwe davon inna Kalta-Kriich-Frontstadt Westberlin, sexe jetze in
Ostberlin. Män da ooch dat Berlin'sche bedroot is, wee'k det nich behoopten,
wenn ik di Nacht nich met der hailjen Agathe ihra Berlin'schen Jrammatik
ßujebracht hette ...

Yes, indeed, no Diphtong left in "ee" and "oo", that says my altogether 18
year long hearing of Berlin aborigines - 12 of it in the frontcity of the
Cold War Westberlin, 6 nowadays in Eastberlin. But because also the Berlin
dialect is threatened with extinction, I wouldn't dare affirming that
without spending the night with St. Agathe's Berlin grammar ...

Eemt wi jesacht:

»*Icke, dette, kieke mal: *
*Ogen, Fleesch und Beene!*
Di Berliner alßumal
Sprehen jaa ßu scheene!«

Als allaäußastet wünsch' ik noch Hals und Beenbruch,
Juutjeen!
joachim
--
Kreimer-de Fries

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com
Subject: Language varieties

Und ik dank ooch scheen, lieba Joachim. Ja, die hailje Agathe ihre
Berlinsche Jrammatik muss ik mia ooch wieda mal ankieken, meen ik.

Un da kriech ik jleich wieda eene Idee (und Ideen jiept et bai mia ja imma
jenuuch): in't Jeschichtsblatt von Lowlands-L wat üba die Agathe Lasch. Det
weea jut, wail sie eemt laida ßu wenich bekannt is. Wat meenste daßu,
Joachim?

Joachim, I wonder if you agree with my characterization of traditional
Berlin dialects as Missingsch. I know it's not officially known as such, but
it's undeniable that it has strong Low Saxon substrata.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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