LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.17 (09) [EN]

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From: Jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.16 (05) [EN]

 Beste Marcus,

you wrote:

*Until a few moments ago I was convinced that "schap/schop/schup" is Saxon
and "schaft" is a German loan. I wanted to add that some Low Saxon dialects
have completely incorporated the loan "schaft" and don't even know
"schap/schop/schup" anymore.

But then I looked into my etymological dictionary (to look up whether
"schap, "schop" or "schup" is the original form [it's "schap"]) and
discovered that "schaft" is actually _both_ Low Saxon _and_ German and no
loan. "schaft" is derived from "schap" + "ti" suffix and "schapti" developed
into "schaft" cause the sound pattern "pt" is phonotactically avoided (this
is independant of the High German sound shift "p" to "f" as in "schâp" ->
"schâf"). Old English had "sceaft" (besides unsuffixed "scipe" which
developed into modern "ship"). *

*So "börgerschaft" is not necessarily a loan.*
Interesting, and sounds conclusive! Have you just read it as an
theory or found it written or even heard spoken? I've never come across this
form, neither in old (Middle Age) documents nor in modern, till spoken Low
Saxon languages. Maybe it's very archaic!?

Allerbest!

Jonny Meibohm
Lower Saxony, Germany

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