L O W L A N D S - L * 10 December 2006 * Volume 01<br>======================================================================<br><br>From: <span>Obiter Dictum <<a href="mailto:obiterdictum@mail.ru">obiterdictum@mail.ru</a>
></span><br>Subject: <span>LL-L 'Traditions' 2006.12.09 (03) [E]<br><br></span>Ron het geskryf:<br><div style="direction: ltr;"><span class="q">>>Please allow me to add that on List, besides New Year's Eve<br>>>and Hogmanay, December 31 is also known as "Sandy the
<br>>>Fleming Day," since it's your birthday and thus a great<br>>>occasion for your fellow listers to celebrate.<br><br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr;">Gabriele het geskryf:<br></div><div style="direction: ltr;">
<span class="q">>Hey, and I was born on Guy Fawkes Day (and my sister on Halloween),<br>>so between us we seem to have it all pretty much wrapped up!<br></span></div><br>***<br><div style="direction: ltr;"><br>For that matter, myself--(i) born on the _then_ Japanese soil, under
<br>the Tenno's Sacred Rule; (ii) currently resident within a hailing<br>distance of 皇居 (Koukyo Imperial Palce); and (iii) my application<br>for my reinstatement in the the Japanese nationality pending,--
<br>have my birthday, as becomes Tenno's good subject, on 元日 (ganjitsu)<br>January 1. Tak-to vot :).<br><br>Vlad Lee.... er... Ri:)<br>PS: Didn't know Sandy could supply so much literary delight.<br>
Going to visit his site right away:)</div><br>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jan.strunk@googlemail.com" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><span style="padding: 0pt 1px 1px 0pt;"></span>Jan Strunk <<a href="mailto:jan.strunk@googlemail.com">
jan.strunk@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>Subject: <span>Traditions<br><br></span><div style="direction: ltr;">Hello Lowlanders,<br><br>Ron wrote:<br> >Please allow me to add that on List, besides New Year's Eve and<br>
Hogmanay, December 31<br> >is also known as "Sandy the Fleming Day," since it's your birthday and<br>thus a great occasion<br> >for your fellow listers to celebrate.<br> >Since this time around I will be traveling south with little or no
<br>internet access,<br> > I wish you a happy birthday now, and I hope you'll get lots of<br>compliments on your costume, if you wear one or not.<br><br>This brings me to an interesting question... My girlfriend is spending a
<br>year in Edinburgh as a grad student at the moment.<br>Some weeks ago I visited her there and a fellow student of hers had a<br>birthday party. The party was on the weekend<br>before her actual birthday. Nobody hesitated at all to congratulate her
<br>on the day of the party and to wish her<br>a happy birthday and everybody even gave her presents on that day.<br><br>My girlfriend and me were the only people around who found that strange.<br>In Germany (at least the Northwest, where
<br>we are from) it is absolutely forbidden to congratulate someone before<br>their actual birthday and presents are usually given<br>only on the birthday or afterwards. It is a very strict tradition that<br>you can say "Herzlichen Glückwunsch nachträglich"
<br>("Happy birthday belatedly") but cannot congratulate the person before<br>the actual day.<br><br>I think this has to do with superstition: If you say "Happy birthday"<br>too early, this will make it more likely that
<br>the person won't live to see his or her next birthday. Basically, if you<br>say it too early and the person gets run over<br>by a bus, it might as well be your fault. (Of course, nowerdays nobody<br>would argue like that, but the tradition is
<br>still strong.) I think it is linked to the German saying "Man soll den<br>Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben.". Don't praise<br>something before it has actually happened, because something bad might<br>still happen before it's over
<br>(you can never know God's plans, and if you pretend that you do he might<br>teach you a lesson...).<br>(Quite a pessimistic outlook, maybe!)<br><br>My girlfriend and me and another German were the only people who had<br>
ever heard of this rule. There were<br>some Americans and Brits there, but they didn't know it. Even a Girl<br>from somewhere as close as Czechia had<br>never heard about it.<br><br>Is this rule common in the Lowlands at all? Or are we Germans just some
<br>weird people who have not quite<br>left medieval superstition to arrive in the age of enlightment?<br><br>Best greetings!<br></div><span class="sg"><br>Jan Strunk<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:strunk@linguistics.rub.de">
strunk@linguistics.rub.de</a><br><br>----------<br><br></span>From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Clarkedavid8@AOL.COM">Clarkedavid8@AOL.COM</a><br>
Subject: <span>Traditions<br></span><br>Guy Fawkes day on November 5 used to be one of the main festivals of the<br>year, comparable with Easter, Hull Fair and my birthday, although not as good as<br>Christmas. My parents would ask the neighbours round and my mother would
<br>cook special food, such as bonfire toffee, parkin, potatoes in their skins and<br>Oxtail soup, and after we had set off the fireworks, but before the food, we<br>would burn the Guy, a lifesize model of a man consisting of my father's old
<br>clothes stuffed with newspaper. Before his ceremonial burning, he would be<br>left hanging on the swing while the fireworks were being let off. As he was<br>consumed by the flames, his villainous face (drawn by my mother) would seem to
<br>take on a doleful expression.<br><br>The cinders of the fire would glow for days, which was great fun as they<br>could be used to start further fires. Halloween is a US (re-?)import into<br>England and wasn't celebrated or noticed much when I was a child. Nor was New Year.
<br><br>I am told that the best place for Guy Fawkes celebrations is the town of<br>Lewes in East Sussex. Perhaps this is due to their strong protestant traditions<br>following the burning of protestant martyrs in the town during the rain of
<br>Mary Tudor ("Bloody Mary").<br><br>David Clarke<br><br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: <span>Traditions<br><br>Hi, Jan! You're right. Germans are traditionally in mortal fear of jinxing things. My mother, who was quite superstitious, often exclaimed <span style="font-style: italic;">Beschrei das nicht!
</span>(Don't jinx it!). (North German <span style="font-style: italic;">das</span> can stand for both 'that' and 'it'.)<br><br>Most important, in my experience, is the fear of jinxing the birth of a child, understandably so considering rampant infant mortality in the past. A "baby shower" tradition as in America, in which gifts for the baby are given before birth, is therefore unthinkable. In the past, not even baby clothes were made before birth. You'd wait till the baby had arrived, and then you'd be given hand-me-downs while new baby clothes were being made. Apparently, this has changed. In many families it's now all right to make or buy baby clothes before birth, not in all families. However, many families still only have large items like beds, pushers or carriages (prams) put on lay-away, or just stored after paying for them, and someone brings them home as soon as the baby is born. I imagine this is now in flux and there is much diversity in this regard.
<br><br></span>Hey, Vlad! Sorry about the Japanese script. It only came through as code, and I didn't know how to convert it.<br><br>As for your birthday date, very impressive, rather lucky for a Japanese subject, I believe.
<br><br>As for Sandy's birthday on Hogmanay and Gabriele's on Guy Fawkes' Day ... well, why am I not surprised? And I mean this in the nicest possible way.<br>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Here's a question for Sandy and our other
<span style="font-style: italic;">amis écotophones</span>:</span></p>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span>Are there any Christmas songs in Scots, or has Scots been considered to "low" for such a thing? I'm asking because I've never come across such a song.<br><br>
Best regards!<br><br>Reinhard/Ron