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<font size="2">L O W L A N D S - L - 01 January 2007 - Volume 02<br>======================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_Karl-Heinz.Lorenz@gmx.net" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">
Karl-Heinz Lorenz <<a href="mailto:Karl-Heinz.Lorenz@gmx.net">Karl-Heinz.Lorenz@gmx.net</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (02) [E]<br><br>Sandy Fleming wrote:<br>> Around the same time the Beatles were insisting on sticking to their
<br>> Liverpool accents, even when singing, and a certain aspiring prime<br>> minister shot himself in the foot when the group were to be awarded MBEs<br>> by the queen:<br>><br>> TV Interviewer: Ted Heath says you won't be able to speak like that at
<br>> the palace, John.<br>> John Lennon: We're not voting for Ted Heath.<br>><br>Listening
to the Beatles talking in documentaries I always thought and think that
Lennon is the one who sounds different, whereas the others especially
George Harrison speak/spoke quite close to what I'd call Standard
English. Did Lennon also speak dialect or was it mostly simply an
accent? At least the song "Maggie Mae" on LP "Let it Be" seems to me
more than accent.<br><br>Karl-Heinz<br><br>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">jverhoeven <<a href="mailto:jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz">jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz</a>>
</span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (09) [E]<br><br></font>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">Pat Reynolds writes</font></div><font size="2">
<span class="q">
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">When learning languages, I think it important
that people<br>are exposed to a range of pronunciations (or at least, I find
it<br>helpful, and I have a dear friend from Luxembourg who was fluent
in<br>English was absolutely flummoxed when addressed in accented
English <br>from Lancashire).</div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"> <br>Different accents do cause problems, my
daughter when about eight, brought up</div>
</span></font>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">speaking English in New Zealand, on
listening to a work collegue of mine who had recently </font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">emigrated from Glasgow, asked me later what
language she had been speaking.</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">Funnily enough I have friends who come from
Edinborough whom she had</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">knon since her birth and she has never had
problems understanding them.</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">Happy New Year to you all, although I comment
infrequently I do enjoy </font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">reading and learning from all that comes to my
mailbox.</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">Regards</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2">Joyce Verhoeven</font></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><font size="2"><a href="mailto:jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz</a><br><br>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk
</a>></span><span id="_user_jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"></span><br>
Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (06) [E]<br></font>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-size: 12pt;">
<p style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Tatum < <a href="mailto:ptatum@blueyonder.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
ptatum@blueyonder.co.uk</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (02) [E] <br><br>Happy New Year to followers of the Julian calendar, TTFN to everybody else,<br></font></p><div style="font-size: 12pt; direction: ltr;">
<font size="2"><span>Paul Tatum. </span></font></div></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;">
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2"><br>***</font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Not for another 12 days or so actually...it's only New Year in the Gregorian Calendar!</font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Paul Finlow-Bates<br><br>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">
wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><span id="_user_jverhoeven@xtra.co.nz" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"></span><br>
Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (09) [E]<br><br>From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Pat Reynolds < <a href="mailto:pat@caerlas.demon.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
pat@caerlas.demon.co.uk</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Language diversity' 2006.12.31 (02) [E]<br><br></font>
<div>
<div style="direction: ltr;"><font size="2">In message<br><<a href="mailto:57c981290612311028x72da0cc5q9c447f9b0d12c1c0@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
57c981290612311028x72da0cc5q9c447f9b0d12c1c0@mail.gmail.com</a>>,<br>Lowlands-L List <<a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">lowlands.list@gmail.com
</a>> i,e, Sandy writes <br>>I'd be circumspect with those sort of books, Paul. I used various such<br>>books as my French was getting more advanced, but nothing any of them<br>>said seemed to hold any water, not even in Paris. I think that for a
<br>>non-native, the path to becoming 'typical' in a language is to learn<br>>the<br>>straightforward stuff at home, anything fancy really has to be picked<br>>up<br>>'in the field'. There's a huge danger of just sounding daft to
<br>>everybody<br>>- like someone from Germany with an underdeveloped English accent<br>>arriving in London and trying to speak like
Eastenders. Everybody would<br>>_much_ rather a foreigner speak a fairly standard form of the language, <br>>at least until he's lived long enough somewhere to sound like he's from<br>>there!<br><br>I hesitate to chip in, with your ability to learn languages, and my
<br>limited experience, but I think this applies only to _speaking_, not to <br>_listening_. When learning languages, I think it important that people<br>are exposed to a range of pronunciations (or at least, I find it<br>
helpful, and I have a dear friend from Luxembourg who was fluent in<br>English was absolutely flummoxed when addressed in accented English <br>from Lancashire).<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Pat<br>(new year's plan: learn enough Japanese to get by)
<br>--<br></font></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;"><font size="2"><span>Pat Reynolds<br></span></font></div></div><font size="2">******************************</font>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Sandy and Pat:</font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Yes,
I would never attempt to speak a regional or very coloquial form of
German, people would probably think I was taking the p**s (or whatever
the equivalent German expression is, I can't find one). But as Pat
says, it is useful to be aware of such variations so you can understand
them when you meet them.</font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Difficulties
with non-standard English don't just afflict second-language speakers;
a lot of Americans seem to have particular problems with English
regional speech. Actor Don Johnson was on Jonathan Ross's show a week
or so back, and he commented that despite many visits here, a lot of
the people he encounters might as well be speaking a completely
different language.</font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Paul Finlow-Bates</font></div></div></div></div></div>
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