L O W L A N D S - L - 01 January 2007 - Volume 03<br>======================================================================<br><br>From: Niels Winther <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:nielswinther@gmail.com">
nielswinther@gmail.com</a> ><br> Subject: LL-L 'Etymology<br><div style="direction: ltr;"><span class="q"><br>Ron wrote:<br>> I sure know killern, use it in Low Saxon as well as Missingsch.<br>> I don't think it's related to 'to kill', though.
<br><br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr;">Think of "kettelen" in Middle Saxon, "tickle" in English, "kittla" in<br>Swedish and "kilde", "kildre" in Danish.<br><br>
Regards<br></div><span class="sg">Niels<br><br>----------<br><br></span>From: <span class="gmail_quote"><b class="gmail_sendername">Global Moose Translations</b> <<a href="mailto:globalmoose@t-online.de">globalmoose@t-online.de
</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.12.31 (05) [E]<br><br><span class="q">
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Jonny
wrote:</span></font></div>
<div><font><span>>Does anybody of our LS-speakers
(there are lots of them active ones, at the moment!) know the word LS:
'killern'? One of >those words sleeping beneath the sediments of a live with
dominating Standard German- it came to me today when I played >with my young
dog. I think I didn't use or hear it for a good 40 years...<br>>It means
something like E: 'to tickle (excessively)", close to a torture.<br>>In
accordance to OnED it even could be cognate with 'to kill'.</span></font></div>
<div><font><span></span></font> </div></span>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>But of
course. "Killern" was the regular Northern German word for "to tickle"
among children when I grew up (similar to "pullern" for "to pee"). They still
say it around here (in southern Lower Saxony). I heard it in the Rhineland, too,
but there children use it for erasing ink (with a
"Tintenkiller").</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>I
think I quoted my youngest (bilingual) daughter before who, barely two,
suddenly announced: "Mama, I'm going to kill you!". While I was still
wondering how come my child had this violent streak, she proceeded to tickle me
("kille, kille, kille!").</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>"Kiezen/verkiezen" is related to the German word
"küren".</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Gabriele Kahn</span></font></div><br>----------<br><span class="sg"><br>
</span>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">jonny <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.12.31
(05) [E]<br><p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Beste
Reini,</span></font></p><p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">thanks for your answer:</span></font></p><span class="q">
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-GB">I sure know <i><span style="font-style: italic;">killern</span></i>,
use it in Low Saxon as well as Missingsch. I don't think it's related to
'to kill', though. I think something's going on with /dd/ ~ /ll/ there.</span></font></p>
</span>
<p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">This was my first thought, too. But then I came across the word OS:
'kwillian' (of course related to G: 'quälen') and Mr. Harper's (OnED) guessing
it could be related to E:'to kill' in the old meaning of this word as 'to
torture etc'.</span></font></p><p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">I never would say LS: 'Dat killert!' (it tickles [me]), if anyone
would try to tease me with eg. a feather- in this case I'd prefer LS: 'Dat
kiddelt!'.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">killern</span></i>_ for my
opinion is closer to a torture, like in G: 'jemanden durch-kitzeln' ('to tickle
someone till he is breathless').</span></font></p>
<p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">But I fear we'll never know...</span></font></p>
<div><span class="q">
<p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">Greutens/Regards<br>
<br>
Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm</span></font></p>
</span>
<p><font color="blue" face="Lucida Sans Unicode" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;" lang="EN-GB">BTW: Can
we keep on writing in HTML without making things uncomfortable for you?</span></font></p>
</div>----------<br><br>R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Etymology<br><br>Thanks for asking, Jonny.<br><br>Simple text is preferable, because your HTML formatting tends to carry over to the following posting, and it takes some doing to override that.
<br><br>What I mean is that playing with font styles and colors causes problems. It's best to set your font to Arial or Arial Unicode 10 or 11 points and black (usually default color) when you compose your messages. This way you can be pretty sure that what you see then is what arrives.
<br><br>Using italics and bold face is fine in our new setup, however.<br><br>Kumpelmenten,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>