L O W L A N D S - L - 04 January 2007 - Volume 02<br>======================================================================<br><br>From: "Mathias Rösel" <<a href="mailto:Mathias.Roesel@T-Online.de">Mathias.Roesel@T-Online.de
</a>><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.04 (01) [E]<br><br>
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<p style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">From: John Duckworth
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</a>><br>Subject: Lowlands-List. Lexicon.(E. /LS.)<br><br>I have a
feeling something has
been said on this subject before, but can you give me some information
about the
greetings _Moin!_ and _Moin moin!_ ?
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<p><font color="#0000ff">You might want to look here, too: </font><a href="http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinEtymology" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="#0000ff">http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinEtymology
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Best,<br><br>Mathias </font></p></div>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><span style="padding: 0pt 1px 1px 0pt;"></span>Stellingwerfs Eigen <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">
info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' <br><br><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div>John Duckworth schreef:</div>
<div>I have a feeling something has been said on this subject before, but can
you give me some information about the greetings _Moin!_ and _Moin moin!_
?<br>Do they really come from the Frisian _mooi_ (which would of course be Dutch
too), 'good', 'beautiful'; and _moin_, meaning 'day' (presumably < -morn_
?).<br>Or do they just represent a shortened version of Low Saxon _moien Dag!_
(Good day!)?<br><br>En Ron gaf as bescheid:</div>
<div>Personally I think there's a good chance the word <span style="font-style: italic;">mooi</span> 'nice', 'pleasant', etc., in Dutch and
Western Low Saxon started off as a Frisian loan (and remember that much of
today's Dutch- and LS-speaking territory used to be Frisian-speaking), but I've
never thought that the salute <span style="font-style: italic;">Moin(-moin)</span> is a Frisian loan. I'm
pretty convinced that it's a Low Saxon invention, a remnant of greeting phrases
in which <span style="font-style: italic;">mooi</span> or <span style="font-style: italic;">moi</span> modified a masculine-gender noun such as
<span style="font-style: italic;">dag</span> 'day',<span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">
</span>morgen</span> 'morning' or <span style="font-style: italic;">avend</span>
'evening'.<br></div>
<div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Mit wat veurbelen zoas:</font><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moyen dag.<br>(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moin Dag.</span><span style="font-style: italic;">
)</span><br>It's a pleasant day. <br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moyen morgen.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n
moin Morgen.</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> )</span><br>It's a pleasant
morgen.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moyen
avend.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moin Avend.</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> )</span><br>It's a pleasant
evening.<br><br>Feminine:<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moye
nacht.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moie Nacht.</span><span style="font-style: italic;">)</span><br>It's a pleasant night.<span style="font-style: italic;">
<br><br>Dat is 'n moye vyer.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n
moie Fier.</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> )</span><br>It's a pleasant
party.<br><br>Neuter:<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moy(et)
wedder.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moi(et) Wedder.</span><span style="font-style: italic;">)</span><br>It's (a) pleasant (sort of)
weather.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moy(et)
jaar.<br></span><span style="font-style: italic;">(</span><span style="font-style: italic;">Dat is 'n moi(et) Jahr. </span><span style="font-style: italic;">)</span><br>It's a pleasant year.<br></div>
<div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Ok nog veur alleman de beste weensken veur
et Ni'je jaor...</font></div>
<div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Veur zoveer ik naogaon kan is dit bi'j oons
in Stellingwarf een groet die ontstaon is as saementrekking van "Ik weenske jow
een goeie morgen." Dat wodde inkot tot: "goeiemorgen" en laeter alderdeegst tot
alliend nog: "Morgen". De jeugd ropt tegenwoordig - nog de hieltied as groet -
alliend "Moi". </font><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Ongeveer etzelde koj' in et
Frysk hiere ok wel tegen: "Goeiemoarn" en "Moarn". "Hoi" komt deur hiel
Nederlaand wel veur en is neffens mi'j een verbastering en/of saementrekking van
"Hallo" en "Moi". "Ik weenske jow een mooie morgen" is wel slim populistisch en
niet gebrukelik.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Et is dan neffens mi'j ok *niet* zoas Ron
zegt: "Dat is een..." mar "Ik weenske jow een..."</font></div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">
<div>Veur een groet in de middag bruken we "Goeiemiddag" of "Middag" en veur de
aovend "Goeienaovend" of "'n Aovend".</div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Uut et Stellingwarfs woordeboek:
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"><strong>mogge</strong> <strong>=</strong> bep. groet:
goedemorgen<br><span><strong>goeie </strong>= goedendag </span></font></p><span>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span><strong>goeiemorgen </strong>=
goedemorgen<strong> </strong></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><strong>goeie(n)dag
</strong>= goedendag </p></span><font color="#000080" face="Arial">
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"><span><strong>goeienaovend, <em>genaovend, 'n
aovend</em></strong> = </span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.05pt;">goedenavond </span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.05pt;"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.05pt;"><strong>goeienaacht </strong>= </span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.05pt;">
goedenacht
</span></span></font></font></p></font></div></font>Mit een
vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,</div>
<div><font color="#000080" face="Arial">Piet Bult</font>
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