<font size="2"><br>L O W L A N D S - L - 24 January 2007 - Volume 02<br><br>=========================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.24 (01) [LS]<br></font><p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2">
<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Beste Utz,</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">wees bedankt foyr Diin
Moyh!</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Mii dücht, dennen</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Hörricän</span></i>_</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">schull'n wii
weglooten- dat koomt mii tou Spaan'sch vöör ;-).</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">De</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Küselwind</span></i>_</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">is in uns nedderdüütsche
Dialekt dat, wat opp Standard-Düütsch ‚umlaufende Winde' sünd: wenn de Wind
küselt, weyt nümms recht, wo hey denn nu van her weihen deiht.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Eyn</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Feger</span></i>_ </span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">is dat woll opp Houghdüütsch
eyn „Heuteufel" („Kleintrombe", E: ‚dust-devil'; kiek inns hier:</span></font> <font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-family: Courier; color: black;"><a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleintrombe" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleintrombe</a>
)? De Buern deiht he mennigmool düchdig aargern- hesst Diin Hay/Hau/Heu jüst fein
in Rüghs mookt, suugt hey ‚t hough inne Lucht un smitt Dii weller al'ns döör'neyn
un inne Grobens...</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Dennen</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Dwarrelwind</span></i>_</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">kenn ick amend ne, man
no miin Foyhlen is dat woll ouk meyhr „umlaufender Wind", wat meynst?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Bliivt man alleyn</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">_<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Küselstörm</span></i>_</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">un'</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">_</span></font><font size="2">Warvelstörm_
</font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">no, dücht mii.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Dank un Greutens <br>
<br>
Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm<br><br>----------<br></span></font></p>
</div><font size="2">From: <span id="_user_victorie.a@home.nl" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">A Victorie</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>
></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.24 (01) [LS]<br><br></font><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">
Moin,</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Bij oons in Drenthe nuumt wij hum ok wel
een (Nikstarte) (Niksteerte) (Warvelwiend)</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Arend Victorie</span></font></p><font size="2">----------<br><br><font size="4">From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.24 (01) [LS]<br><br>Dear Lowlanners,
<br><br>some of you might know me as a very respectless
person as far as books and other written sources are concerned. Perhaps
I read to much of them...<br><br>Now I stumbled about the term G:
_lautmalerisch_, E: 'onomatopoetic' (what a cruel word; the true
translation of the German expression would be 'painting a sound'!)
which you can find in many (German) dictionaries if different
etymological sources are unknown.<br><br>What exactly does it mean?
Isn't the origin of all basic words "lautmalerisch"? Very old words
like G: 'Kuckuck', E: 'cuckoo' are imitating the call of the bird, and
sound and motion of a G: 'Quirl', E: (very dry!) 'beater' is within the
word, like in the German verb: 'sausen',LS: 'susen', E: 'to sough, to
swish'- and thousands more.<br>And like here, with these examples, I
feel many words really painting, like a musician can be able to paint a
picture with his notes.<br><br>So- where do these dictionaries decide a
word to call *just* 'lautmalerisch' or not? Depending on the age of the
etymological sources perhaps?<br><br>Greutens/Regards<br><br>Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm<br><br>-------------<br><br><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></font></font>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="4"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><font size="4">Jonny,</font><br>
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<font size="2"><font size="4"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> and sound and motion of a G: 'Quirl', E: (very
dry!) 'beater' is within the word</span><br><br>
I believe German <i>Quirl </i>and the verb <i>quirlen</i> are related to
English "(to) twirl", which in turn seems to be related to now obsolete
"thwerl" and may as well be related to "whirl" and "swirl".<br><br>
Bear in mind that German <i>kv-</i> (spelled <i>qu-</i>) tends to be related to
<i>tw-</i> and <i>dw-</i> in the Lowlands languages, such as <i>quer</i> = <i>(dwars
un) dwer, Quatsch</i> = <i>dwatsch</i>.<br><br>
This shift must have followed the borrowing of <i>Quark</i> from Slavonic, considering for instance Lower Sorbian <span style="font-style: italic;">twarog</span>, Polish <i>twaróg</i>, Upper Sorbian
<i>twaroh</i>, Czech/Slovak <i>tvaroh</i>, Russian творог <i>tvorog</i> 'curd'. Alternatively, German speakers may have <span style="font-weight: bold;">perceived </span>foreign <span style="font-style: italic;">tv-</span>
as <span style="font-style: italic;">kv-</span> at one time, or it was their only possible way of rendering it within the parameters of their native phonological rules.</font><br></font>
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<font size="2"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="4"></font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="4">Kumpelmenten,<br>Reinhard/Ron</font><br></font>