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<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 23 January 2007 - Volume 03<br><br>=========================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">jonny
</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.24 (04) [E]<br><span class="q">
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Sandy wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">One problem with this, I think, is that for any group of words that fit<br>
the theory you can find plenty that don't. It might be that any given <br>
language offers so much variety in semantic-to-phonetic relationships<br>
that you can look for order and find order, or you can look for chaos<br>
and find chaos.</span></font></p></span>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">...</span></font></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span class="q">If you look at sign languages, you'll find that visual onomatopoeia are<br></span>
much more common than aural are in spoken languages. The<span class="q"><br>
reason for this seems clear enough: much more of human discourse <br>
describes what we see than describes what we hear. The proportion of<br>
words that are onomatopoetic depends on how much of the human world<br>
occurs in the medium of the language, and therefore in spoken languages<br>
onomatopoeia are relatively thin on the ground.</span></span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Thanks, Sandy! A very
interesting lesson you gave.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">But- the last,
regarding sign languages, brings me to the idea, that words which obviously are
onomatopoetic could be younger- they haven't gone through a lot of vowel
shiftings and changes as older ones might have. Because: sign languages also have
been invented and developed in younger times.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Just an idea...</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Greutens/Regards<br>
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Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm</span></font></p>
</div>----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de
</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2007.01.24 (03) [E]<br><p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Dear Paul,</span></font></p><span class="q">
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">you wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> I don't know where "lautmalerish" comes from, but it's
definitely my offering for "Wort der Woche" at my next German
Conversation Group meeting!</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> I wish English had such a wonderful word rather than a clumsy
Greek borrowing.</span></font></p></span>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Psst- don't say such
things! It could encourage Heiko and Ron to make one of their dreadful
LS-translations ;-).</span></font></p><span class="q">
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<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Greutens/Regards<br>
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Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm<br><br>----------</span></font></p><p>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">R. F. Hahn</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <sassisch@yahoo
. com></span><br>Subject: Etymology<br><br>Jonny (above):<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> </span><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier;">
Because: sign languages also have
been invented and developed in younger times.</span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br>What makes you assume that? Can you think of any sign language that was invented and adopted in recent times? I thought the roots of sign languages were somewhere in the murky past just like those of other types of languages -- and
<span style="font-style: italic;">all</span> languages are in a perpetual state of development ...<br><br>... with the exception of North German Low Saxon, of course, because according to some people its development is <span style="font-style: italic;">
verboten</span>, and, unbeknownst to Amnesty International, it's sitting bound, gagged and blindfolded in solitary confinement at the language police headquarters somewhere between <span style="font-style: italic;">Marsch
</span> and <span style="font-style: italic;">Geest</span>.<br><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"></span></font></p></div></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
> </span><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Psst- don't say such
things! It could encourage Heiko and Ron to make one of their dreadful
LS-translations ;-).</span><br></span></font><span class="q"><br>You bet your sweet ninny, mate! It looks like you're finally catching on to the fact that Heiko and I are among the top kingpins of a global conspiracy network dedicated to the purpose of keeping you in a perpetual state of exasperation.
<br><br>Kumpelmenten,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br></span><br>
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