<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 26 January 2007 - Volume 03<br><br>=========================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">jonny
</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2007.01.25 (03) [E]<br><br>Beste Ronny,<br><br>you wrote:
<br><br>> Can you think of any sign
language that was invented and adopted in recent > times? I thought
the roots of sign languages were somewhere in the murky > past just
like those of other types of languages -- and all languages are > in
a perpetual state of development ...<br>Hmm- I thought about modern,
organized sign languages and really assumed them to be very young. Of
course- I'm aware that there are very archaic and international signs
between people with communicational problems all over the world.<br>But-
how old are the first mentioned ones, in their highly developed form? I
really don't know but put them to the, let's say, last onehundred
years...!?<br><br>> You bet your sweet ninny, mate! It looks
like you're finally catching on > to the fact that Heiko and I are
among the top kingpins of a global<br>> conspiracy network dedicated to the purpose of keeping you in a perpetual > state of exasperation.<br>You
know- a good foe is like a good friend! You have to be true blue to
both of them ;-)! In April I'll have my 5th anniversary with you, Ron-
köönt wii meist 'Hölten Hochtiid' fiiern (we could celebrate our
'Wooden Wedding', as it's done so in some parts of Germany)!<br><br>Allerbest!<br><br>Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm<br><br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com
</a>><br>Subject: Language varieties<br><br>Moin, Jonny!<br><br>I believe that among us the issue of sign languages would be most competently addressed by our Sandy, and he usually swings into action on weekends, thus anytime now.
<br><br>However, here's my 43 cents' worth of stuff to kick around in your head in the meantime.<br><br>As Ole already said, real sign languages are real languages. They are not <span style="font-style: italic;">like
</span> real languages. There may be some artificial sign language proposals out there, just as there are numerous artificial spoken language proposals out there. However, genuine sign languages, as far as I know, evolved "organicanically." The only artifical thing about them is that at one point or other they came to be standardized nationally or regionally, while prior to that there were numerous dialects. And this is the case with any other type of language as well.
<br><br>While you can probably know when standardization took place, you can not know how old a sign language is just as you can't know how old any other type of language is. The origin of sign languages goes way, way back into prehistory, as long as there have been deaf people and hunters have had to communicate with each other soundlessly. Why, I assume that even international sign languages evolved naturally, such as those traditionally used among North American aboriginals that speak different languages.
<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> Ron-
köönt wii meist 'Hölten Hochtiid' fiiern (we could celebrate our
'Wooden Wedding', as it's done so in some parts of Germany)!</span><br><br>Only with <span style="font-style: italic;">me</span>? Not with everyone else on the List? Will we have to wear <span style="font-style: italic;">
hulten Tüffeln</span>
("wooden slippers" = clogs) for the occasion? That'll coincide with the 12th aniversary of Lowlands-L, by the way.<br><br>Kumpelmenten,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>