<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 01 February 2007 - Volume 04<br><br>=========================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_veenker@atmc.net" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Ronald Veenker <
<a href="mailto:veenker@atmc.net">veenker@atmc.net</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span> <br>Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.02.01 (01) [E/German]<br><br><div style="direction: ltr;">Paul, Jonny, Ron, et al.,
<br><br>There was a thread on Linguistlist called "I'm gonna get me a dog" and<br>The Ethical Dative. This was a while ago.<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/" target="_blank">
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/</a><br>wa?A2=ind0410&L=funknet&D=1&F=&S=&P=641<br><br>I remember 40 years ago while studying Hebrew (ancient) that the<br>professor found what he thought was an "ethical dative" as well.
<br></div><div style="direction: ltr;"><span class="e" id="q_1107e0ff9567dad3_1"><br></span></div><span class="sg">Ronald Veenker<br>"Now and Zen"<br>623 Ocean Boulevard West<br>Holden Beach, NC 28462-1805<br><br>
----------<br><br></span>From: <span id="_user_Mathias.Roesel@t-online.de" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">"Mathias Rösel" <<a href="mailto:Mathias.Roesel@t-online.de">Mathias.Roesel@t-online.de</a>></span>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Tatum <<a href="mailto:ptatum@blueyonder.co.uk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<font color="#0000ff">ptatum@blueyonder.co.uk</font></a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"></span> <br>Subject: LL-L 'Grammar'
2007.01.31
(02) [E/German]<br>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">A
book called "Using German" I recently got out of the local library
gave
examples of different regional grammar including "dieses Bier (zum
beispiel)
ist mir.." rather than "dieses... ist mein/e.." It said this was
a
Northern habit.</font></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<div style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">Paul</font></div></span></font></span></blockquote></div>
<font color="#0000ff" face="Arial Unicode MS" size="3"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial Unicode MS" size="3">That may be Hassian,
it's
certainly not Northern German.<br>-- <br><span class="sg">Mathias </span></font>
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----------<br><br>From: <span id="_user_altkehdinger@freenet.de" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Jonny Meibohm <<a href="mailto:altkehdinger@freenet.de">altkehdinger@freenet.de</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg">
</span> <br>Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.02.01 (01) [E/German]<br><p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Beste Paul,</span></font></p><span class="q">
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">you wrote:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A book called "Using German" I recently got out of
the local library gave examples of different regional grammar including
"dieses Bier (zum beispiel) ist mir.." rather than "dieses...
ist mein/e.." It said this was a Northern habit.</span></font></p>
</span>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Yes- you and the book
are quite right- it is said this way. But I don't think it to be correct German.</span></font></p><span class="q"><p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">quid mihi Celsus agit?<br>
'what is Celsus doing (I am _especially interested_ in what it is)?'<br>
[mihi is dative 'to me'].<br></span></font></p>
</span>
<p><font color="black" face="Courier" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Courier; color: black;">Wow- that really seems
to be very close to the special way we use the *<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">mir</span></b>* in G.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Greutens/Regards<br>
<br>
Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm</span></font></p>
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From: <span id="_user_aletamosquito@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Aleta Turner <<a href="mailto:aletamosquito@gmail.com">aletamosquito@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg">
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Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.01.31 (03) [E]<br><br><div style="direction: ltr;">A very similar pleading usage occurs in English,<br>particularly in expressions such as "don't (you) quit<br>on me now!" "Don't (you) die on me! (now)!"
<br></div><span class="sg"><br>Aleta<br></span><br>