<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 05 March 2007 - Volume 04</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish <<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz">
wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.03.04 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">On Monday 05 March 2007 11:59, Lowlands-L List wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<snip></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="q">> From: R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: Language varieties<br>><br>> Sandy,<br>><br>> "Too true, mate," to use an Australianism.<br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<snip><br></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="q">> In other words: ignorance abounds. Not surprisingly so, since imparting<br>> such basic knowledge, and certainly presenting diverging views, has never
<br>> been a part of the general education curriculum even in the north. It is<br>> at best limited to a (numerus clausus) select tertiary education circle of<br>> budding Germanists, and they ain't gonna bite the hand that feeds them.
<br>> And Germanics departments outside the country tend to be dominated by<br>> German-educated faculty members that in part rely on German funding.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
FWIW, I met a young German from Kiel while working as a volunteer at a local</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">community centre - he was also working as a volunteer.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">We got talking last year at the end-of-year meal, and he mentioned his Kiel</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">background. He also mentioned that there used to be a local dialect, but</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">that it had fallen out of use. He thought it had fallen out of use around
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">the 1960s.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
I supposed he would have learnt about it from his relations and friends,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">because he knew nothing about it.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">I suppose it would have been bordered between Danish and Niedersassisch?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">From: R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com
</a>><br>Subject: Language varieties<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Kia ora</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">, Wesley! </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Kei te pēhea koe? </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">It's great to hear from you again.<br><br>Kiel is essentially in Holstein, a bit south of the Danish- and Jutish-speaking areas of Schleswig. But it has always been somewhat cosmopolitan, if for no other reason than being a navy homeport and thus having residents from all over the country.
<br><br>The originally language is Low Saxon. In fact, this area from the northern Elbe bank up to Anglia (<span style="font-style: italic;">Angeln</span>, the erstwhile home of the Angles) used to be known as Northern Albingia ("Land North of the Elbe"), and it it is the earliest known homeland of the Saxon.
<br><br>I wouldn't be one bit surprised if older people in Kiel didn't still speak the language but don't advertise this. This is what I discovered in Hamburg. Many people around whom I grew up suddenly "outed" themselves to me as Low Saxon speakers once they found out about my "activism" and thus rightly assumed that I was kindly disposed toward the language. For decades before I didn't even know they understood the language. This is what I mean by "closet language." It was particularly during the post-war era that the language went underground in the large cities, pretty much coinciding with the so-called "economic miracle." Many people still haven't snapped out of this image thing. However, this doesn't mean that people don't still use the language. They tend to use it with trusted people of their age groups and older.
<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">E noho ra!</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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