<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 06 April 2007 - Volume 03</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_sjswelch@yahoo.com.au" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">john welch</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:sjswelch@yahoo.com.au">sjswelch@yahoo.com.au</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "History"[E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">A link with Brahma of the Indo-European tribes is seen in IE brih
"praise.expand" > Tocharian bramn.kte "Brahma god", Persian
/Sanskrit braman(i)ya "reverently", Russian / Polish /German bram
"ship top-mast" for admirals' and state flags, OSwed bram
"state.pomp" and OE breme. </span><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><b>(quote)"bréman</b>; <i>part.</i> brémende; <i>p.</i> de; <i>pp.</i> ed; <i>v. a.</i> [bréme <i>celebrated</i>] <i>To celebrate, solemnise, make famous, have in honour;
</i> celebrare, honorare:-Đćt hie đćt hálige gerýne bréman mǽgen <i>that they may celebrate the holy mystery</i> [i.e. <i>the sacrament</i>], L. E. I, 4; Th. ii. 404, 27. Á brémende <i>ever celebrating,</i> Exon. 13 a; Th. 24, 20; Cri. 387. We đec, hálig Drihten, gebédum brémaţ
<i>we celebrate thee, holy Lord, in our prayers,</i> Cd. 192; Th. 241, 17; Dan. 406: Menol. Fox 186; Men. 94. Bodiaţ and brémaţ beorhtne geleáfan <i>preach and make famous
bright belief,</i> Exon. 14 b; Th. 30, 21; Cri: 483. <font size="2"><small>DER.</small> ge-bréman."(end quote)</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">"Breman
maegen" (in line 3 of quote) suggests the Persian magi priests,
"revered". Perhaps the Saxons and Celts were generic brahmins as
"praisers". "Drihten" in line 5 sounds a bit suspicious, too.</font></div> <span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">John Welch</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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R. F. Hahn</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: History</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">John,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">To make such connections between names you need to convince folks that the sound correspondences are consistent with other word cognates between whatever languages are involved. You can't just pick words or names and say they sound similar and are therefore likely to be related. For instance, the
</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">h</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> in </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">brahmin</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
isn't there just by chance or to lengthen the vowel. You can't ignore it but must justify its absence in what you postulate as its cognates in other languages.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">In the case of "Saxon" and their </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sahs</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> sword it's clear that there is a connection with Indo-European *
</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sek-</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> "cut". If names like Saka are supposed to be related to it, how do you reconcile that with "cut"?
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_edsells@cogeco.ca" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Ed Alexander <<a href="mailto:edsells@cogeco.ca">edsells@cogeco.ca
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Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.04.06 (02) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">At 06:50 PM 04/06/07 -0700, Sandy wrote:
<br>>So as examples of Scots you cite a Northumbrian<br><br>Linguistically speaking, yes.<br><br>>, a Canadian<br><br>Sir Sanford Fleming was born in Kirkcaldy, Scotland in 1827.<br><br>>and Charles<br>>II.<br>
<br>Not a Scot? You're kidding! He was crowned King of Scots in Scone January<br>1, 1651, so at least people thought that back then.<br><br>>This whole discussion seems to be based on the writers not explaining<br>
>what they mean by the word "Scot". It started as nonsense and has<br>>degenerated from there!<br><br>My point exactly! I'm glad you got it. But it was supposed to make you<br>laugh, not become angry and frustrated!
<br></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="sg"><br>Ed Alexander</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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