<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 13 April 2007 - Volume 03</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish <<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz">
wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Demographics" 2007.04.12 (03) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">On Friday 13 April 2007 08:46, Lowlands-L List wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<snip></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Subject: Demographics</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> I thought that, unless they have been stripped of it or have gone out of
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> their way to lose it (both of which happen very, very rarely), all British</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> citizens retain their British citizenship, no matter where and no matter if</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> they acquired other citizenships. So the same applies to British people in
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Australia, whether they have Australian citizenship in addition or not. We</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> don't really know if these people with dual citizenship are counted as</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> British in those countries. I rather suspect they are not. So the actual
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> numbers must be a lot greater than those reported.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Canada and Australia now have the same type of citizenship law as does</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Britain. (I don't know about New Zealand.) Its philosophical basis appears</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">New Zealand's citizenship law is quite similar. The major differences between</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Australian and New Zealand citizenship law that I'm aware of, is that if an</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Australian citizen acquires another citizenship, unless it is unavoidable
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">given the circumstances, he loses his Australian citizenship a la the US</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
citizenship law, whereas the New Zealand citizenship law requires that the</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">person acquiring the new citizenship to specifically renounce their previous
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">New Zealand citizenship; and New Zealand citizenship law provides that if you</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">were born overseas of New Zealand citizens, you are a New Zealand citizen,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">but if your children are born overseas, they are not New Zealand citizens -
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">unless you are on state business.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> to be that citizenship is inalienable, whether acquired by birth or by</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> choice. It affords citizens' foreign-born children the same citizenship
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> and their grandchildren special rights regarding immigration and</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> citizenship acquisition (in the case of Britain a type of remigration</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> allowance for those with at least one grandparent having been a citizen).
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">I'm a fourth and sixth generation Kiwi all around, but with an Australian</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">grandfather courtesy of my mother's side. But I was born overseas, in Papua</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
New Guinea, no less ... citizenship law has some absurdities, no doubt about</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">that. I've made use of that in some fiction:</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"The Sacrament of the Sharing of Prey"</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10063/20040601/www.antisf.com/stories/story05.htm" target="_blank">
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10063/20040601/www.antisf.com/stories/story05.htm</a><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(Please note: I am _NOT_ responsible for that atrocious drawing - nor is Uan,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">who looks like an ordinary human female, apart from her claws, her massive</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
shoulders and jaws ... ;) Enter Uan, somewhere in the south of a planet</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">orbiting the G2 star of the Alpha Centauri binary system:
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"According to Rakhebuityan midwife-chieftainesses visiting the Earth Embassy,</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Uan was her father's spitting image, definitely Rakhebuityan! And</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Rakhebuityan worshipped Li' Abare u Ngafe [The Father of the Waters], who</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sacrificed himself for his people in the springtime's fishes' thronging.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Eating a speaking being â€"even metaphorically â€" horrified Lakhabrech such as</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Akhriech, but this wasn't her mother's damnation."</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Her father's Rakhebuityan - translated "fisheaters"; her mother's Lakhabrech -</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">translated "free blood". Both parents are dead, and both sets of tribes are
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">quarreling over whose children they are. ;) (Rakhebuityan are somewhat</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
matriarchal, but accept occasional patrilineal lines; Lakhabrech are</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">matriarchal, and her matrilineal descent overrides details such as their
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">damnation of her mother for some unrepented crimes - murder - committed</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
against the midwife-chieftainess, no less. ;)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> I have a feeling that this is the thing of the future. Why, even</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Germanynow allows emigrants to apply for retention of their German</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> citizenship when</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> they acquire another one, and those that lost their German citizenship</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> earlier may now apply to have it restored (if they are wealthy enough ...</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> and if they can prove connections, Germanness and German language
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> proficiency ... and it helps if they declare that they are willing to drop</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> other citizenships ...)! That really tells you that things are beginning</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> to shift. However, it seems to me that in this case ethnicity (including
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> culture and language) is a prerequisit (thus echoes of the old "country =</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> ethnicity" model), while in the case of Australia, Britain and Canada it is</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> not. (It would be interesting to see if a person would be acceptable in</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Germany if they didn't speak German or Low Saxon but only Danish, Frisian,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Sorbian or Romany, which are official minority languages.)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">I heard that Germany granted Volga Germans automatic citizenship if they</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">applied for it during the 1990s. Mind you, it was probably necessary at some
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">stages - Russia had its own ethnicity demons to deal with. But a fair number</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">of the Volga Germans couldn't at the time speak German of any dialect, so</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Germany retracted that during the 2000s.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Mind you, other countries have had citizenship laws similar to that of
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Britiain for a long time. I remember that even in the 1960s and 1970s many</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> young American, Canadian and Australian men traveling to Greece or</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Yugoslavia as their ancestral countries found themselves drafted as
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> soldiers there. Australian friends of mine that were born and raised in</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Israel are unable to get rid of their Israeli citizenship no matter what</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> they do, and their Australian-born daughter, whose birth was only
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> registered in Australia, is likely to get drafted if she visits her</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> grandparents in Israel. One of my current neighbors is in a similar</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> situation; while she visits relatives in Israel, her American-born son
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> stays home. (But let's not forget that many, probably more, Jewish people</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> do want to serve in Israel and acquire citizenship for that purpose. I</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> personally know two persons that have done that.)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">--</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">-----</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">warfare means up to their monkey tricks.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">of the foolish.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">-----</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">You ask, what is the most important thing?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_edsells@cogeco.ca" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Ed Alexander <<a href="mailto:edsells@cogeco.ca">edsells@cogeco.ca</a>></span><span id="_user_wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Demographics" 2007.04.12 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">At 08:01 PM 04/12/07 -0700, Ron wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
>OK, Ed, payback time for the squirrel affair?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Oh, no - I'm quite proud of that award - the highest award ever granted to
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">an "amateur."</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> > Actually, that's not true, as I vote in two countries quite legally, as</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> > does my daughter.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>Are you sure it's legal? I was expressly told that it isn't.</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">That's because they know whom you vote for.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> > Okay, smart guy, which passport should I use when leaving Canada and</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> > entering the US, and vice versa.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
>Here at the crossing between Washington State and British Columbia, going</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>north I'd show US emigration the US passport, then stash it away and whip
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>out the Canadian one for Canadian immigration a few feet down the road,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
>and on the way back I'd do it the other way around. If you don't have</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>this double border thingy, well, then I guess you've got a pro blem and
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>must go through a third country. Oops! I forgot! There ain't no other</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>country near Canada! Oh, dear! How about Greenland or Russia? At least</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">>they're cold enough.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Seriously, it really depends on who you're talking to. You might try</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">asking each border official their opinion about this each time you</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">cross. You'll be amazed at the different answers. However, the best
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">advice given to me was by a black lady at the US kiosk. When entering the</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
US, show your US status, and vice versa, since they will have a much harder</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">time keeping out their own nationals. Black people and Natives are the
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">best to ask, since they've had the longest experience in passing into and</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">out of Canada. Your readers may be interested to learn that the NAACP</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) was founded in
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">St. Catharines, Ontario, when they were all refused rooms at every hotel in</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Buffalo for their first convention.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">BTW, there is another country near Canada. It's a short boat trip from
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Newfoundland to St Pierre & Miquelon, which are</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
French. </span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.heritage.nf.ca/exploration/pierre_miquelon.html" target="_blank">http://www.heritage.nf.ca/exploration/pierre_miquelon.html
</a><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Salut et bon voyage! Ed Alexander</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Marcel Bas</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:roepstem@hotmail.com">roepstem@hotmail.com</a>></span><span id="_user_wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Subject: LL-L "Demographics" 2007.04.12 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">
Reinhard wrote:<br>
<br>> So tell Borat "Tishe!" He'll understand. He's playing with you -- and I mean this in the nicest possible way. <br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Haha! Yes, this guy is full of Polish words. People don't seem to notice that in the US and A. </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Friends of mine in Kazakhstan think the Borat movie is very funny, though.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Dziękuję.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Marcel.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley, you seem to be talking about the old Australian citizenship laws. Since the changes of 2002, an Australian citizen acquiring another citizenship is no longer stripped of his or her Australian citizenship.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Ed, how could I have forgotten those tiny specks of France new Newfoundland. See, you could always catch the frequently running express between there and major ports in the US.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Marcel, as you may have noticed, any age can do with a Till Ulenspeghel. How can you tell you're dealing with one?
</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Uul</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> (owl) stands for "clever," and the "speghel" (mirror) is held up for everyone to see him- or herself. Uncomfortable? Yep! That's the idea. And that doesn't only go for Americans.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Happy Friday the Thirteenth!<br></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">