<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 26 April 2007 - Volume 05</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.04.26 (04) [E]
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="q">> From: R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: History<br><br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="q">> This<br>> continued until our time. I remember from my childhood<br>
> whispered-word-of-mouth referral to certain neighbors that practised clearly<br>> Wicca-derived healing arts or divining.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Still in the end of the 1980ies when I was a little boy my mother
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">brought me to a woman, who had to bespeak (is this the right word? In</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
German "besprechen") my warts (they vanished after it). But I am a bit</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sceptical whether this folk beliefs are really descended of a "wicca
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">religion". Wicca is in the first place a modern pop culture</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
phenomenon, which claims to be in the tradition of older beliefs. Is</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">there really anything known about those old beliefs? Despite the fact,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">that it *may have existed* and some rituals of folk belief *could be*</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
related to it?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> We saw a</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> glimpse of that in Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan not all that long ago,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> well after the Middle Ages.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">The willingness to believe in that time was another type than that of</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
the middle ages. "happily pious belief in whatever doctrine is</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">declared official" is not very fair to the people of the middle ages.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">They were not that sheepish. They had own opinions too and disagreed</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
with the guys who had the power, but they had not the possibility to</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">change the world.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> I am sure that the spirits of the millions and millions of medieval people</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
> that were tortured, burnt, quartered or whatever horrible thing for</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> believing differently or not at all would agree with your assessment,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Karl-Heinz.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
According to Wikipedia modern scholars believe about 40000-60000</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">people were killed in witch-hunts (and a good part of this phenomenon
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">took place in the modern times) and the numbers of people killed</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
through inquisition are disputed too. This "millions and millions"</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">thing maybe is only a "dark age" legend. At least we people of the
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">20th century shouldn't be too condemning about the people of the dark</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
age. The 20th century was the most brutal and dehumanized in history</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">and this episode is not finished yet. Think of the bombs on Hiroshima
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">and Nagasaki. People killed a hundred thousand by pushing a button.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Intellect is a prerequisite to being evil and it is too the best</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">weapon to fight evil. (No good precondition for Bush's fight against
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">the axis of evil...)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Good gahn (maakt wi't mol as de Westfäälschen 't doot ;-))</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Marcus Buck</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q"><br>From: R. F. Hahn <
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: History<br><br>Marcus,<br><br>I was not talking about New Age versions of Wicca. I do agree, though, that the use of that name was misleading, since "Wicca" now primarily refers to the New Age brand, a reconstructive brand. I should have used "Witchcraft" (capitalized) to be precise, but this is easily misunderstood also.
<br><br>In Low Saxon (Low German), the nouns <span style="font-style: italic;">Wicker</span> 'male witch', 'wizard', 'warlock', and <span style="font-style: italic;">Wickersch(e)</span> 'female witch' clearly refer to the older system of sourcerers. Old English has
<span style="font-style: italic;">wicca</span> for 'sourcerer', Old Norse <span style="font-style: italic;">vitki</span>.<br><br>Furthermore, I wrote:<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> </span></span>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(using this as a catch-all label for Wicca and other religions)</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q"><br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
I mean by this all the </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Volksglauben</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ("folk belief") varieties that to all intents and purposes are forms of shamanism, holistic belief systems in which there were no boundaries between "real" life and the spirit world, between food and medicine, between animate and inanimate, etc. These usually include practices of psychic healing, divining, magic and necromancy, also reverence to both "positive" and "negative" forces. They appear to have represented the westernmost extension of Eurasian shamanism of which many varieties are still alive in Central Asia and Siberia. Most of them did not have names and have been generally labeled "Witchcraft," "Heathenry" or "Paganism."
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">