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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 29 April 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_theohoman@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Theo Homan <<a href="mailto:theohoman@yahoo.com">theohoman@yahoo.com
</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2007.04.28 (02) [D/E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Frank,<br><br>Kweenie.<br>Misschien woonden in *Haag en *Bosch meer mensen die<br>deftig wilden doen.<br>Of had het schrift een grotere invloed.<br>Of werd De Lierde gevestigd, toen de naamvallen waren
<br>uitgewerkt.<br>Of heb ik ongelijk.<br><br>We hopen wel van je verdere onderzoekingen te horen.<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://vr.gr/" target="_blank">vr.gr</a>.<br></div>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="sg">Theo Homan<br><br>----------<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: "Arvey" <<a href="mailto:arvey@list.ru">arvey@list.ru</a>>
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2007.04.28 (02) [D/E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Hallo,</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Ik
spring even uit mijn lurkende status om nog wat olie op het vuur te gooien
:-)</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Je
hebt gelijk dat vlakbij Den Haag het dorp De Lier ligt (zonder -n; De Rotte ken
ik alleen als de rivier die van Zevenhuizen naar Rotterdam stroomt, niet als
plaatsnaam). Vlakbij De Lier, tegen Delft aan ligt het dorp Den Hoorn, ook weer
met -n! Ook op Texel komt een dorp voor met dezelfde naam (Den Hoorn dus), maar
ook Den Burg... </span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Ik kan
behalve De Lier echter ook nog minimaal 2 andere dorpen in Zuid-Holland bedenken
die de -n in het lidwoord niet hebben (De Pan en De Zilk).</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Groeten uit Delft,</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span>Rogier [Verdier]<br></span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" dir="ltr" align="left"><br>From: <span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Frank <<a href="mailto:frank.verhoft@skynet.be" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
frank.verhoft@skynet.be</a>></span><br>Subject:
Grammar<br><br></div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Hello,<br><br>I previously
wondered about 'den' in Den Haag en Den Bosch <br><<<is 'den' here an
inflected form of the article, and hence not similar to<br>the Brabantian
forms.<<<<br><br>I did not mention that I do realise that the
Brabantian 'den' originally is <br>an accusative which got reinterpreted as a
nominative and that the -n gets<br>dropped in certain phonetic
environments.<br><br>Theo
replied:<br><<<Dativus.<<<<br><br>Ik ben (nog) niet geheel
overtuigd, Theo :-). <br>Ik vind het heel bizar dat 'den' slechts voorkomt in
Hollandse namen als Den<br>Haag en Den Bosh (etc.), exact volgens het
Brabantse patroon. Op enkele<br>steenworpen van Den Haag ligt _De_ Lierde,
_De_ Rotte etc. Waarom is er daar <br>dan geen 'dativus'?<br><br>Beste
groetjes,<br></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br>Frank
Verhoft<br></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: Grammar<br><br>Hoi, Rogier, en welkom in de sprekershoek!<br><br>Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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