<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 20 May 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">
wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.18 (04) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Re: The current thread on "Hooks" and related words; I have a couple of flyers to fly:</div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">1.
The "Ecke" word doesn't seem to have an English relative, unlike "hoek"
etc; By phonetic change I'd expect something like "etch", but that of
course means something else entirely. "Edge" might just seem to be
related, I'm not sure.</div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">2.
What about the Angles? Both the relatives of the Saxons, and the
corners? I understand that the tribe (and thus ultimately the name of
my country and language) may relate to their original homeland in the
"Angle", the sharp coastline change along the Baltic at the
Danish/German border region. Others suggest a weapon, a barbed spear of
some kind, in the way that Saxons were named for their "seaxes" or
knives and Fanks for the "Fancisca," a throwing axe.</div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Of
course, "angling", i.e. fishing with hooks as opposed to nets, is also
connected. But are there any "angles" or related words in other
Lowlands, or indeed Germanic languages?</div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates<br><br></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">From: </span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
Elsie Zinsser <<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (01) [E]</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"></font>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi Jonny and Ron,</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I'm taking a flyer but suspect that Huuk and Eck (meaning corner Afrikaans: hoek) are
</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">closely related but that huuk (crouch, Afrikaans hurk) comes from a different root.
</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Now to find evidence. <span><br></span></span></font></span></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
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<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">From: </span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Kevin Caldwell <<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net </a>></span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (01) [E]</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"></font>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="2"><span>> From: Jonny Meibohm <<a href="mailto:altkehdinger@freenet.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
altkehdinger@freenet.de</a>><br>> Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2007.05.18 (04) [E]<br>> Beste Ron,<br>><br>> in your table here: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/jysk-info.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
lowlands-l.net/anniversary/jysk-info.php </a><br>><br>> you translate 'corner' in LS as 'Eck', 'Huuk' ('Huke' here).<br>><br>> This (your choice) is very interesting and I formerly had made some thoughts about it.
<br>> <br>> In our Lower-Elbe-dialect both words are in use, but I think the first choice to describe<br>> the corner of a street or anything else comparable within a landscape would be 'Hoyrn', 'Hörn'.
<br>> So I always would do though I guess the very early, basic meaning was something betokening a<br>> 'peak', as e.g. 'Cape Horn' shows.<br>><br>> It would be
interesting to find out whether the Scandinavian 'hörn', 'horn', 'hjørn' came as an <br>> LS loan into those languages or if they are pan-germanic.<br></span></font></p>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="2">Isn't this
more a pan-IE thing? English has 'horn'(going back to OE) in multiple
senses, such as animal horns, a cape or promontory (the Horn of
Africa), as well as a musical instrument (originally made from animal
horns), while Latin 'cornu' gives us, through French, 'corner' and
derivatives such as 'unicorn', 'tricorn (hat)', 'cornet', and
'cornucopia' (horn of plenty).<br></font></div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="2"><span><br>Kevin Caldwell</span></font></div><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
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<font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">From: </span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
Jonny Meibohm <<a href="mailto:altkehdinger@freenet.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">altkehdinger@freenet.de</a>></span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (01) [E]
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<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier"><br>He, Ron,</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">going on with LS 'Huuk'/'Huke'/'Hoek'.</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">This afternoon I had a meeting with some of my native neighbours, and I told them about our/</font></span><span><font face="Courier">
this thread.</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">Very interesting!</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">We came to the agreement that 'Huuk'/'Huke' denotes the <u><strong>inner</strong></u>
side of an 'edge', of always an artificial/geometrical angle, e.g. of
any kind of building (so as in my formerly mentioned: 'dike').</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">And- the word LS: 'Oken' (which I'm
sure you're familiar with) could be derived from it. 'Oken' means G:
'Abseite', 'hinterste Ecke', also 'Dachschräge'; E: (according to </font></span><a href="http://www.dict.cc/?s=Abseite" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<font face="Courier">http://www.dict.cc/?s=Abseite</font></a></font><font face="Courier" size="1"> <span>) 'nave aisle'. 'Kiek inns in dennen achtersten <strong>Oken</strong>
van 't Schapp. Door steiht noch 'n Pakken Zolt.' E:'Just have a look
into the aftmost edge of the cupboard. You'll find a pack of salt
there.'</span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font face="Courier" size="1"><span></span></font><font size="1"> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font face="Courier" size="1"><span>[Wow- 'aftmost'! Never seen before. What a nice and archaic word I'll never forget again which I got from <font color="#800080">
dict.cc</font>!]</span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><font size="1"> </font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);" align="left"><font size="1"><span><font face="Courier">Houl Dii hattig!</font></span></font></div>
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);" align="left"><font size="1"> </font></div><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);" face="Courier"><font size="1">Jonny Meibohm</font><br><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
</font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Subject: Etymology<br><br>And watch them go feasting on another scrap of etymology!<br>
<br>Elsie:<br><br><font color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">> Now to find evidence.</span></font></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
Hmmmm ... indeed. And here's a little beauty coming your way, "guys." </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<span style="font-style: italic;">Ek</span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> (</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Eck </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
< OS </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">eggia</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">, German </span>
<span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Ecke</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">) 'corner', though apparently not related to the "horn" ~ "corner" (< IE *
</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">ker(ə)-</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">,</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
"</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> horn") and "hook" (< IE *keg- "pointed stick") groups, in fact belongs to the Indo-European group of *</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
ak-</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> ̑ ~ *</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">ok</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">̑-, which denotes "sharp" as in "sharp angle".
</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">And there's the Low Saxon word </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
Oken</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> (~ </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Öken</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">) Jonny and his Oldkehdinger Olen were talking about (and I have come across as
</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Aken</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
as well)! Apparently, its earliest meaning is 'underside of a roof
top', 'attic', namely where the two angles of a pointed roof meet. Its
secondary meaning is 'far end of an inside space', such as the far
inside wall of an armoir. </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">So, yes, Jonny. I tentatively go along with the notion that that
</span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Huuk</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> denotes the </span><span style="text-decoration: underline; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
inside<span style="font-style: italic;"></span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> of a corner (as in "The teacher made me stand in the corner," as opposed to "The teacher was walking around the corner" as in "
</span><span style="text-decoration: underline; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> outside</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> corner").</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">So I go as far as postulating that a </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">huke
</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> was an inside corner and a </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">hoyrn</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
was an outside corner in Saxon, while </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">ek</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"> can now denote either of them.</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Kevin:</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> It would be interesting to find out whether the
Scandinavian 'hörn', 'horn', 'hjørn' came as an </span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">> LS loan into those languages or if they are pan-germanic.</span>
<br><br>My hunch is that it's pan-Germanic. </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Reinhard/Ron</span>
<br></font>̑<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="ad"><br>----------<br><br></span><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From: R. F. Hahn <
<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Subject: Etymology</span><br></span><br></font></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Edge" is indeed related to </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Ecke</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> etc. I know it but failed to mention it. Great hunch on your part! Thanks.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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From: </span></font><span id="_user_mrdreyer@lantic.net" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Mark Dreyer <<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Subject: </span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.18 (04) [E]
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<div><font size="2">Beste Elsie</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Onderwerp: LL-L "Etymology"</font></div>
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<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From Elsie</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I'm taking a flyer but suspect that Huuk and Eck
(meaning corner Afrikaans: hoek) are </span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">closely related but that huuk (crouch, Afrikaans hurk)
comes from a different root.</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Now to find evidence.</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From Mark</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Let us not forget the posture 'hurk' - (to squat
or crouch)</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Groete,</span></font></span></p>
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mark</span></font></span></p></blockquote></div>
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<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From: </span></font><span id="_user_altkehdinger@freenet.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Jonny Meibohm <<a href="mailto:altkehdinger@freenet.de">
altkehdinger@freenet.de</a>></span><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Subject: </span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (06) [E]
</span><br><br><div><span><font face="Courier">Kevin,
Ron,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">you wrote about E 'nook',
probably deriving from Archaic English 'nock'.</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">I didn't know this word
before, but it reminds my at the German word family 'Nock', 'Nocke' or
'Nocken' (the Austrian 'Nockerl' also could be part of it).</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">It has got several
meanings:</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier"><strong><u>1. Nock,
die <em>(fem</em>.):</u></strong></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier"><strong><em>LEO</em></strong> translates it as 'peak', and that
might be its basic meaning, but I know it as </font></span><span><font face="Courier">part of a ship's bridge, 'small
nooks, edges, corners on both sides of the bridge from where
you can watch the sides of your ship during docking manoeuvres
etc.'. Wait- there is another and better <em>nock</em>, too: the peak of a
yard, G: 'Rah' on sailing vessels, and
<strong><em>DUDEN </em></strong>declares it to be from LS-origin (but
also concedes that there is the same word denoting a 'mountain' in
'Oberdeutsch'/'Upper German', spoken in the more Southern regions of
Germany).</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier"><strong><u>2. Nocke, die
<em>(fem.) </em>/ Nocken, der <em>(masc</em>.):</u></strong>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">mainly used in technical
matters, should be translated as 'cam' like in 'camshaft'. So- it's a kind of
'peak' also, isn't it?</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span></span> <span><font face="Courier"><strong><u>3.
Nockerl:</u></strong></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">probably is
diminutive of <em>Nocke</em>, better known as <em>'Salzburger Nockerln'</em>
(Ron, don't look here- too sweet for you! ;-): <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburger_Nockerln" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburger_Nockerln
</a> </font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:125-2529.JPG" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:125-2529.JPG</a> )</font>
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<div><span><font face="Courier">Do you see the 'peaks'
again?</font></span></div>
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<div><span></span> <span><font face="Courier"><span><font face="Courier">So, Kevin, I think that since a long
time there have been both 'hook' and 'nook/nock', though obviously
related.</font></span></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Courier">Just some additional
thoughts of a penny worth.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">My relatives from the
Lunenburg area of Germany once told me about a ghost named 'Nöck'. It must be a
kind of malicious nymph living in creeks and lakes which/who often
tortures people passing by. A little Poseidon with a
trident/three-<em>'pike'</em>? Or is it derived from LS 'Nück', original meaning
E: 'snare', 'springe' but today mainly used in the transcribed meaning
of 'defiantness', 'waywardness'?</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier">And- (rhmmr...) the LS
verb 'nöken/noyken', meaning 'to fuck', though I'm not sure if it's really
an expression of the category which in dictionaries you find enlisted
as <em>vulgar</em>. It has to do with something like a 'peak' too, hasn't
it?</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier">Allerbest!</font></div>
<div align="left"> </div>
<font face="Courier">Jonny Meibohm</font><br>
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<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From: </span></font><span id="_user_victorie.a@home.nl" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">A Victorie</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>></span><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Subject: </span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (06) [E]
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Moi Reinhard,</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Wij hadden hier in Drenthe op de webstee
van Drentse taol al ies een vraog waor as de name "Nikstarte" van of-eleid is.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">En daor bint wij toen niet uut ekomen. Kan
't weden, dat 't Ëngelse woord "Nook" daor wat mit maken hef?</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Een "Nikstarte" is een wiendhoos.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Goodgaon,</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Arend Victorie</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From: </span></font><span id="_user_mrdreyer@lantic.net" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Mark Dreyer <<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Subject: </span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2007.05.19 (06) [E]
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><br>Dear Ron, Kevin, Jonny:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2">From: Ron</font></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">
<div><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2">< Archaic English
"nock" 'small hook' (usually on a spindle) appears to be derived from
Scandinavian <i>hnokki</i> or its Danish/Norwegian derivative <span style="font-style: italic;">nokke</span> or Swedish derivative <span style="font-style: italic;">nock</span>.</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Mark:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Afrikaans uses the word 'nok' for the roof-tree, or
the ridge of a roof, & by extension, similar sorts of ridge, even that of
a cam. I think the English 'nok' as used by toxophilists to refer to the
notch in the back of an arrow is a simple borrowing from the Plantagenet Flemish
plantations, the nearest English contact to the native Welsh to whom the longbow
was their native weapon.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Surely the ME word 'notch' is cognate to the (then)
Flemish 'nok'?</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Might I contribute that questionable activity
between - consenting - boys & girls in this country, 'noekie' or 'nookie'
depending on your language group? Folk etymology hath it that it is so called
because it is typically pursued in a 'nook' or 'noekie' ('n hoekie). Of
course one doesn't confess to having had a bit of that - 'n bietjie
noekie.</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Groete,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Mark</font><br></div><font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);"></span><br>
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