<br>L O W L A N D S - L  -  08 June 2007 - Volume 04<br><br>=========================================================================<br><br>From: <span id="_user_rhondshoven@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Hondshoven <
<a href="mailto:rhondshoven@yahoo.com">rhondshoven@yahoo.com</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span> <br>Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2007.06.04 (05) [A/D/E]<br><br><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Hello Henno & R. F. Hahn and others,</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Obviously,
there are a great number of names for the ladybug that relate to
deities. In East-Brabant we have another interesting example. It's
called 'livrake', which stands for 'lie(f)vrouwke', clearly referring
to Mary.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Regards,</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Toger Hondshoven</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span></div></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Henno Brandsma <<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Traditions" 2007.06.03 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sassisch@yahoo.com </a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: Traditions</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Thanks,
Lee.  I agree with all you said. Sometimes there appear to be different
source languages, such as in the case of the Hebrew word for "wren". </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">As for ladybugs, there are definite themes going on throughout Europe: 
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; text-decoration: underline;">Reference to non-Christian female deities:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Old Norse: </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">freyjuhaena</i><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; text-decoration: underline;">
Reference to Mary:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Calabrese: </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">gaddrinèddra d'à Madònna 
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Castilian: </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
mariquita</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Catalan: </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">marieta<br></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Danish: </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">mariehøne</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Dutch: </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Lieveheersbeestje</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">This does not belong in the reference to Mary category, but in the references to God section. </div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"(onze) lieve heer" stands for God. It's a more catholic turn of phrase, protestants tend to say/write "de Heere".</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(archaic form from the Staten-translation from the 17th century) <br></div>
<blockquote style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" type="cite">English: <span style="font-style: italic;">ladybird, ladybug</span><br>German, Modern: <span style="font-style: italic;">Marienkäfer<br></span>
German, Middle: <i>Marienvoglein </i><span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span>Icelandic: <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">maríuhæna </span><br></span>Low Saxon: <span style="font-style: italic;">
<span style="font-style: italic;">Mariek</span></span><br>Norwegian, Dano-: <span style="font-style: italic;">mariehøne</span><br><br><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Reference to God:</span><br>Breton: <span style="font-style: italic;">
buoc'hig-Doue </span><br>Irish: <span style="font-style: italic;">bóín Dé<br></span>Low Saxon: <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Herrgottskoh</span><br></span>Nissart (Nice <font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="-1">
Provençal): <span style="font-style: italic;">galineta dòu bouòn Diéu</span></font><br>Russian: <span style="font-style: italic;">Божья коровка</span><br><span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">
Reference to chickens:</span><span style="font-style: italic;"><br></span>Danish: <span style="font-style: italic;">mariehøne<br></span>Icelandic: <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">maríuhæna
</span><span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br></span>Nissart (Nice <font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="-1">Provençal): <span style="font-style: italic;">galineta dòu bouòn Diéu</span></font><span style="font-style: italic;">
 <br></span>Norwegian, Dano-: <span style="font-style: italic;">mariehøne</span><br>Old Norse: <span style="font-style: italic;">f</span><i>reyjuhaena<br></i>Low Saxon: <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">
</span>Sünn(e(n))küken<br></span>Welsh: <span style="font-style: italic;">b<span style="font-style: italic;"> uwch goch gota </span></span><br><br><span style="font-style: italic;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">
Reference to birds generally:</span><br>English: <span style="font-style: italic;">ladybird<br></span>German, Middle: <i>Marienvoglein</i><br><br><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Reference to cattle:</span><br>Dutch: 
<span style="font-style: italic;">Lieveheersbeestje</span><br></blockquote>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Not cattle. but just "little animal" literally, but often used for insects in general.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">West Frisian is "ingeltsje" (little angel), which is also a religious reference. </div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Henno Brandsma</div><br>