<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 22 June 2007 - Volume 09</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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From: </span><span id="_user_wkv@home.nl" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">wim <<a href="mailto:wkv@home.nl">wkv@home.nl</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.22 (04) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Hi,
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<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">The ending inga o ing or ingastir is very
very old, it s already found in runic text, it means family off or son off</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Wim ( <a href="mailto:wkv@home.nl" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
wkv@home.nl</a>
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<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Netherlands Zwolle.</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_s_dibbern@web.de" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Soenke Dibbern</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:s_dibbern@web.de">s_dibbern@web.de</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</span>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Sa., den 23. Jun.'07, hett R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>> dit schreven:<br>
<br>>>> Don, den – hill<br>>> In Dithmarschen, there are a couple of village names ending in 'donn'<br>>> like<br>>> 'St. Michaelisdonn', 'Hochdonn', 'Dingerdonn'.
<br>><br>> What I find most fascinating about this word is that it looks<br>> suspiciously related to Celtic * dun (Gaelic dun , Welsh din) 'hill<br>> fortress', 'hill'.<br>><br>> But again I don't find any such connection being made in the resources I
<br>> consulted.<br>Well, quick'n dirty, at least the Online Etymology Dictionary relates<br>'dune' to Gaulish 'dunom' and, thus, to Celtic 'dun' and the second part<br>of 'London' [cf.
<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=dune&searchmode=none" target="_blank">http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=dune&searchmode=none</a>
]. 'dune'<br>again could be seen as a fitting description for the sandy edge of the<br>Geest, which rises quite abruptly from the marshes in southern<br>Dithmarschen, where these '-donn' names are present.
<br><br>> (I wonder if there's a connection with the Brahmins of Bremen. But,<br>> darn, we may never know, since John signed off once again!)<br>You don't need John to tell that this is clearly the case, since Tolkien's
<br>'Dunédain' [Men of the West] had to retreat to their fortresses in the<br>sandy hills from the Scythians/Cambodian Saxons, who approached with their<br>Brahmins from Bremen AND Angkor Wat. No resistance possible. THis shifted
<br>the meaning of 'dun' from 'west' to 'hill' in later centuries.<br><br>Regards,<br>Sönke<br><br>-----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Etymology<br><br>Well, well, Sönke. I must bow to your superior intuitive power <span style="font-style: italic;">and</span> erudition in the fields of Eurasian history <span style="font-style: italic;">
and </span>etymology. I know that the Kahuna is very pleased, which means that you will acquire a fragrant name and mat (yes, a fragrant hand-me-down sitting mat) if you keep this up.<br><br>But I will add, if I may, that
<span style="font-style: italic;">my</span> humble intuition tells me that there was a slight twist in that <span style="font-style: italic;">dun</span> (usually spelled <span style="font-style: italic;">doon</span>) came to mean 'down(ward)' in Scots which hails from the time when Gaeltacht wenches raised the children of Saxons. This has by some been falsely attributed to Celtic
<span style="font-style: italic;">dun</span> 'height (to come down from')'. In actual fact, it goes back to Roman times when Scythian youths were routinely abducted to serve as guards at Hadrian's Wall. Contacts with Huns (Xiongnu), or rather with the Huns' Han Chinese consorts, gave rise to the eventual adoption of the Chinese word 蹲
<span style="font-style: italic;">dun</span> which means 'crouch' or 'squat', and this is how it ended up in the Pictish language and eventually via obscure Gaelic varieties in Scots, most probably via Gaelic nannies toilet-training Saxon toddlers ("Squat!" > "down").
<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron</p><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br>
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