<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 06 July 2007 - Volume 07</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_ezinsser@icon.co.za" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Elsie Zinsser</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2007.07.06 (04) [E]
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi
all,<span> </span></span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">You might
not know this historical Afrikaans titbit but Afrikaans<br>was called
a 'patios' for centuries.</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Yet, the
language has proven itself to be used in multi-faceted ways; in<br>discussions
on philosophy, in literature that's been translated in more than<br>10
languages, in kombuisgeskinder, in political discussions, in mathematics,<br>scientific
postulations and writing, in <span> </span><span> </span>religion, songs. <span> </span><span> </span></span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I say who
cares when the proof of a language's viability and sustainability<br>are in the
messages able to be given out and to be understood. </span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Is it too far
fetched to believe that most languages have started out as a 'patios'? <span> </span></span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Regards,</span></font></span></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="sg">
<p><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Elsie
Zinsser <span></span><span></span><span></span></span></font></span></p></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sassisch@yahoo.com
</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: Language politics<br><br>Elsie:<br>> <font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Is it too far
fetched to believe that most languages have started out as a 'patios'?</span></font></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br>I don't think it's too far-fetched, and, if we followed the French model as explained by Mike,
<span style="font-style: italic;">all</span> languages except our own would <span style="font-style: italic;">still</span> be <span style="font-style: italic;">patois</span>.<br></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">To paraphrase Joshua Fishman, ...</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">A </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">loshn </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">iz a </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patoa </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
mit an armey un a flot. (Yiddish)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">A </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">language </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
is a </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">with an army and a navy.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
'n </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Taal </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">is 'n </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">met 'n leër en 'n vloot. (Afrikaans)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Een </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
taal </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">is een </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">met een leger en een vloot. (Dutch)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">'n </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Spraak </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
is 'n </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">mit 'n Armee un 'n Marien. (Low Saxon)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">'n </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Taol </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ès e </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">mèt e laeger ên 'n vloot. (Limburgish)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Eine </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Sprache </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ist ein </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">P</span>atois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
mit Heer und Marine. (German, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Une </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">langue </span>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">est un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">avec une armée de terre et une marine. (French)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Hizkuntza</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, gudarostea eta itsas-armada eduki ditzakeen
</span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">a da. (Basque, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Ur </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">yezh </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">zo ur </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hag he deus un arme hag ur morlu. (Breton, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
idioma </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">és un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">amb exèrcit i marina. (Catalan, France)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Una </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">lingua </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
es un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ke puede kontar siempre kon una armada i una flota. (Ladino, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Una </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">lenga </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">es un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">embè un'armada e una marina. (Nissart, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Una </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
lenga </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">es un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">abo n'armada e na marina. (Occitan, France)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">idioma </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">es un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">que pot contar en un eixercit y en una arma. (Valencian, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Una </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
lenga </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">a l'é un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">con na armèja e na marina. (Piedmontese, France)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Una </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">lenga </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
es un </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">patois </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">amb un'armada e una marina. (Provençal, France)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">