<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 08 July 2007 - Volume 02</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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From: </span><span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.07 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">In
Northern England, in limestone country, the limestone disolves out
along joints creating a blocky terrain with upstanding blocks separated
by narrow gullies, a bit like egg boxes or choclate blocks. The blocks
are anything from a half a metre to several metres. The upstanding
blocks are called "clints" and the gullies between are called "grikes".</div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">
heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>"</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.07 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q"><span><div>
<div>Marlou wrote: </div></div></span>
<div>Can it be that a Klint is generally a steep hill? In Scotland there are certain Mountains also called <em>Clints</em>,
but, as far as I know, with surnames to specify them. -- My question:
Is it the same word? Are there Klints anywhere else in the world? Is
the a connection to latin <em>in-clinare </em>etc.? Do we have it from the Romans, do the Romans have it from us, or is it altogether different?</div>
<div> </div></span>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">The Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names has</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Clint from Yorkshire O Swedish klinter Danish klint ONorse klettr 'a hill'</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">also possibly Clinch Clench The place is near a hill and very
likely Clinch is really the name of the hill related to English
clench/clunch 'a lump' Possibly a related element is found in 'Clinca
ledge 941 AD on Clincan ledge 934 AD</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Hope this helps</div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Heather</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_marless@gmx.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"M.-L. Lessing" <
<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.07 (06) [E]</span><br>
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<div style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);"><font face="Times New Roman">R.F. Hahn wrote:</font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">I wonder if the occurrence of </span><span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">Klint </span><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">
in Low Saxon (especially in place names)
can be traced back to contacts with Jutish. </span><br></font></div></span>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">This may be. In the Middle Ages and even
later, the Jutish every year drove their cattle through Middelholstein down to
the marshes along the historic <em>Ochsenweg</em>. The cattle was to fatten
in the marshes and then be sold (I believe much of the selling happened in
Glückstadt.) But this <em>Ochsenweg</em> runs a little more to the West,
Hohenwestedt being an important point of it. (I have been in temptation to write
something about the Ochsenweg for LLL travel section, but I have so little time,
and there are no conspicuous monuments along that Ochsenweg, simply the
ancient fact. It would be better to write a film script with medieval cowboys,
gigantic herds of hungry cattle, violence and just a touch of a love
story etc., set in Hohenwestedt. I would call it a "Hohenwestern"! :-) The
yearly repetition of the treck would be good for the script; our cowboy hero
would repeatedly come across his enemy in Hohenwestedt and his love,
furthering both revenge and romance. -- But then I don't know if the medieval
cowboys used horses. I fear not.) </font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">Do you know what? If ever I have free time
enough, I will travel the Ochsenweg northward to Jütland and look for more
Klints. To finde the name Klint along this treck path would be something,
wouldn't it?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">Hartlich Gröten!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">Marlou<br><br><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
From: </span><span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">
jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><span id="_user_marless@gmx.de" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.07 (05) [E]</span><br>
<br><div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Beste
Marlou,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Du
schreyvst:</font></span></div><span class="q">
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#008080">> Can it be that a
Klint is generally a steep hill?</font></span></div></span>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Ick gloyv,
dat is in siin Oarsprong 'n Adjektiv ween. Ick kenn dat Wourd ouk uut de
Marsch, woneem dat man alleyn Dieken un Worthen givvt. Wii kennt hier
ouk dennen Familien-Nomen <em>'Klintworth',</em> un dat schall woll G: 'steile
(hohe?) Wurt' ween.</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#008080">> Is there a
connection to latin <em>in-clinare </em>etc.?</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Dat kunn
woll goud angoan, no miin Meyn'n.</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Du ziteyrst
nds.wiki:</font></span></div><span class="q">
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff">"En <b>Klint</b> oder ok
<b>Kliff</b> is en steile Kant, an de de Eerd oder dat Steenmaterial afbroken
oder afrutscht is, vun wegen dat Water den Bodden wegspöölt hett. Dat kann en
</font><a title="Stroom (Water)" href="http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroom_%28Water%29" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Stroom</a><font color="#0000ff"> oder ok de See wesen, dat nerrn dat
Material wegnimmt."</font></span></div></span>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Hier stoyrt
mii dat Wourd <em><strong>'nerrn'.</strong></em> Ick kenn 't man blouts as
G:<strong> <em>'unte<u>r</u>',</em></strong> un doar seggt DWDS
tou:</font></span></div>
<div align="left"><span>[<font color="#ff0000">unter</font><em>]</em></span><em>mit Dat.</em>; <i>bezeichnet im
Verhältnis zu einem Bezugspunkt eine vertikal tiefere Lage/ im</i>
(<i>senkrechten</i>) <i>Abstand unterhalb von etw. gelegen</i>:</div>
<div align="left"><span><font color="#ff0000">[unter</font><em>]</em></span><em>mit Akk.</em>; <i>bezeichnet die
Richtung auf eine im Verhältnis zu einem Bezugspunkt tiefer gelegene Stelle/
im</i> (<i>senkrechten</i>) <i>Abstand zu etw. Darüberliegendem</i>:</div>
<div align="left"> </div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span>Also: <em>'ick stell de Foyt <strong>nerrn
</strong>Disch'</em> magst' woll driist seggen, man nich' <em>'hey
wüss oppletz' ne meyhr, woneem boaben un <strong><font color="#ff0000">nerrn
</font></strong>weyr'</em>, denn is <em>''boaben un'<strong>
ünnen'</strong></em> beter (ouk, wenn 't meyhr no Houghdüütsch
uut-sücht ;-)).</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span></span></font> </div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span>Middel-<em>Nedder</em>sassisch hett noch
'<em>benedden'</em> haart, un dat weyr altiids G:
<em>'unter(halb)'.</em></span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span>De Schriiv-Wiis is bannig ounglücklich: dat müss'
beter <em>'neddern'</em> schreeben waar'n- waard ouk jo meist as
<em>'ne_ww_ern'</em> uut-sproaken, dat <em>_w_</em> jüst sou 'oapen' as in
Ingelsch bi <em>'_wh_isky'</em>.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span></span></font> </div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span>Moien Sünndag wünsch ick!</span></font></div>
<div align="left"> </div>
<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Jonny
Meibohm</font><br></div></div>
</div><br></div><br>