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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 14 July 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_sandy@scotstext.org" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Sandy Fleming</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.07.10 (04) [E]</span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> From: R. F. Hahn < <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: History<br><br>> The apparent occurrence of *haim- in both "Cham avi" and (Hammaburg >)<br>> "Hamburg" ought not necessarily lead us to the conclusion that there
<br>> is a direct link, that Hamburg began as a Chamavi settlement. *Haim-<br>> just denoted something like 'home', 'own place', 'settlement'.<br><br>The area of Somerset where I live is sometimes referred to as the "Land
<br>of Ham". I tend to assume that this covers anything within clear sight<br>of Ham Hill, a prominent ridge above two villages neighbouring mine.<br>These villages are called Norton-sub-Hamdon and Stoke-sub-Hamdon, but an
<br>older twentieth century sign shows the name "Stoke-under-Ham".<br><br>On top of Ham Hill there's an ancient quarry (it was quarried by the<br>Romans, I've heard) which I believe is still in use although I don't
<br>seem to see much evidence of work going on there. Accordingly, most of<br>the houses in the surrounding villages, including mine, and the town of<br>Martock and parts of Yeovil, are made of a yellow-coloured stone called
<br>hamstone.<br><br>I don't know what all this relates to etymologically, but about a few<br>miles beyond Martock there's the village of Muchelney, and a smaller<br>village near there is called "Muchelney Ham."
<br></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="sg"><br>Sandy Fleming<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a><br></span>
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From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: History</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Thanks, Sandy.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">So I take it that that area has a definite Saxon (or Frisian?) past.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">According to the </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Oxford English Dictionary</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> (</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" href="http://dictionary.oed.com/">dictionary.oed.com/</a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
):</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[OE. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ham</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
(</span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">m</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hom</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(</span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
m</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, str. m. = OFris. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ham</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
hem</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">him</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, NFris. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hamm</i>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, EFris. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">ham</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hamm</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
a pasture or meadow enclosed with a ditch, LGer. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hamm</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> piece of enclosed land (on the Rhine, 'meadow'); WFlem. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
ham</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> meadow, in Kilian </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">hamme</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
ham</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
'pratum pascuum'; </span><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">a word confined on the continent to the Frisian and
Lower Saxon area, where its specific application varies as in England</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">.] <br><br>I think there's some confusion (and I am no exception) between this word and <span style="font-style: italic;">
*haim</span> (home). The Chamavi could have been simply named as "pasture/meadow landers" rather than as "settlers."<br><br>In Northern Germany there's a town called Hamm, by the way.<br><br>It would be interesting to map all British place names containing "ham" and see if it is consistent with what we now about Saxon concentrations in Britain.
<br></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span>
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