<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 15 July 2007 - Volume 03</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_theohoman@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Theo Homan <<a href="mailto:theohoman@yahoo.com">theohoman@yahoo.com
</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"
2007.07.15 (01) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">> From: R. F. Hahn <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: Etymology<br><br></span><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">{...}<br></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="q"><br>
>> If all instances of -um in Frisian place names are<br>> derived from hām "home"<br>> and not from ham "ham" is another matter. I have no<br>> idea.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> Reinhard/Ron
<br><br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Oooooh, Reinhard/Ron<br><br>Your writing is going much faster than your thinking<br>{foliumzuur?}.<br><br>-um in place-names often/mostly refer to the
<br>old-germanic dativ/locativ.<br>[And -I admit- an remnant of heim or ham is a<br>possibility.]<br><br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://vr.gr/" target="_blank">vr.gr</a>.<br></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span class="sg">Theo Homan<br></span></div><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span class="ad"><br>----------<br><br></span>From: "Jan Paulus" <<a href="mailto:f2hj-paulus@hetnet.nl">
f2hj-paulus@hetnet.nl</a>><span id="_user_theohoman@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span><br>Subject: -ham in Nederlandse plaatsnamen<br><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="NL">
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<p>Beste mensen allemaal,</p>
<p>Sinds jaar en dag heb ik een lijst van Nederlandse
plaatsnamen.</p>
<p>Eenvoudig zoeken op 'ham' levert op:</p>
<p>Biezelingseham (Zeeland)</p>
<p>Blankenham (Overijssel)</p>
<p>Blijham (Groningen)</p>
<p>De Ham (Utrecht)</p>
<p>Den Ham (Groningen)</p>
<p>Den Ham (Overijssel)</p>
<p>Drogeham (Friesland)</p>
<p>Foxham (Groningen)</p>
<p>Ham (Limburg)</p>
<p>Hintham (Noord Brabant)</p>
<p>Katham (Noord Holland)</p>
<p>Kolham (Groningen)</p>
<p>Schilligeham (Groningen)</p>
<p>Strijenham (Zeeland)</p>
<p>IJsselham (Overijssel)</p>
<p>Wat de meeste van deze plaatsen gemeen hebben is, dat er in
de nabijheid een 'landtong' (Eng. Spi, finger of land) is of
was.</p>
<p>Van veel van deze plaatsen wordt gezegd, dat die landtong
(=ham) in de plaatsnaam aanwezig is.</p>
<p>Groet, Jan</p>
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</div></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_roger.thijs@euro-support.be" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
"Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc." <<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span><span id="_user_theohoman@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.15 (02) [E/French]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span class="q">
<font size="3">>
From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">"Roger Thijs,
Euro-Support, Inc." <<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"></span><br>> Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.07.14
(01) [E]</font><br></span>>
</font><font size="2">4 - In French</font></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">
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<div>> I guess in French placenames
there could be a link to "hameau" in some cases.</div></div>
<div> </div></span>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Some additions:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">1 - Robert Etymologique gives for </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAIE</strong></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">[1] xiie s. frq. "<strong>haga</strong>"</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">2 - Interesting what Carnoy gives for
<strong>Hainaut-Henegouwen</strong> (Province, formerly a County) and the
local river <strong>Haine</strong>:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAINAUT</strong> (Haginaus, Hagnau, Hagnou,
Hagnuensis, Hainau, Heinau, Hainegau, Hainoia etc.)</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">C'est le pays de <strong>Hag(e)na</strong>, c'est à dire de la
rivière Haine.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAINE</strong> (868 Hagna, 905 Haina)</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">La pésence du h nous oblige à interpréter ce nom par les
langues germaniques. </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">On peut partir de *<strong>hahôn-ahwô</strong> "eaux aux
herbages", d'après l'anc. isl. <strong>hâ </strong>regain = germ.
*<strong>hahôn, héhô</strong> (Walde-Pokorny).</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Toutefois il n'est pas impossible, non plus que
<strong>*hagna</strong> soit la "rivière des bois" (germ. *<strong>hagan
</strong>"haie, bois")...</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAINE-St-PAUL</strong> (Arr. Soignies)
1138 <strong>Haina Poteriensis</strong></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAINE-St-PIERRE</strong> (Arr. Thuin) 960
<strong>Haine</strong></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAININ</strong> (Arr. Mons) 1146
<strong>Hainin</strong> <strong>*hagininus</strong> (mansus) (habitation
sur la Haine)</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HAIGNEAU</strong> (affl. de la Meuse à
Marche-les-Dames) 1567 <strong>Heyneal</strong>, diminutif qui se trouve dans le
Haine et le Hingeon.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HINGEON </strong>(Arr. Namur) 1222
<strong>Hengion</strong> 1287 <strong>Hinggum</strong>, ... situé à la source du
Hagneau ...<strong> *hagna</strong></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>HINSON</strong> (ruiss. à Awenne) ...
*<strong>hehn-is-on</strong> "ruisseau des prés".</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Roger</font></div><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">