<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 28 July 2007 - Volume 04</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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From: </span><span id="_user_kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Kevin Caldwell <<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net">kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net
</a></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.28 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Surely you mean "poor old sod", where "sod"
is short for "Sodomite", but has taken on other meanings.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Kevin Caldwell</span></font></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>> </span></span></font><br>
<span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Etymology</span></font></span><br>
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<span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">That's apparently correct, Kevin. The meaning
"fool"</span></font></span> <span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">is older (attested since 1000) and
now largely obsolete. The meaning "drunkard"</span></font></span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <span>(<i><span style="font-style: italic;">OED</span></i></span></span></font><span> "</span>
One who dulls or stupefies himself
with drinking; one who commonly or habitually drinks to excess; a soaker")
<span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">is attested since 1592 ("The Danes are
bursten-bellied sots, that are to be confuted with nothing but Tankards or
quart pots." ...). </span></font></span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></font><br><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
</span></font><br><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<span>I understand that nowadays it's still a matter of dialect and
idiom. For instance, in the expression "poor (old) sot" it seems to
mean "fool" rather than "drunkard."</span></span></font><br><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span></span></span></font></div><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="2">
<span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span><br>----------<br><br></span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology'</span><br><br>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Beste
Reyben,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">kennst'
noch de Wärter:</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><em>'Lachoda'</em></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><em></em></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><em>'Gnatzkopp'</em></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><em></em></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><em>'Gnoss'?</em></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">I've just
had a long talk with my brother this evening, and we inseminated each other to
remember some East Prussian expressions.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">(Pssst,
Ron- please let our Reuben answer as the first one this time- though I'm
sure you are aware and familiar with/of these words as well as he might
be ;-)!)</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Allerbest!</font>
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<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Jonny Meibohm</font></div><br><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
<<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.07.28 (03) [A/E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Beste
Ron-nextbuer,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Du
schreyvst.</font></span></div><span class="q">
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><font color="#008080"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Jonny, I was
under the impression that </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Sott
hebben</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ~ </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Sutt hebben
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">contains the equivalent of
"soot," which is why traditionally you ought to > touch or be touched by a
chimney sweep (</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> Sottje(r)</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ~ </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Suttje(r)</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">) to get some soot on you for luck.
This is related to </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sotten</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ~ </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
sutten</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> 'to cover > with soot', and
</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Sottbalken</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ~ </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Suttbalken</span>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ("soot joist") 'joist above the hearth'.
In Old English it's </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sót </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">(as opposed to </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
sot</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
'fool').</span></font></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">And so I
thought hitherto! Things like to change if you get able to look upon them
from a different perspective.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">And I
don't dare or want to say that this my new cognicanze is the last and
utmost truth, but it <em>"could"</em> </font></span><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">be another way
to get around with things.</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Worth a
penny??</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><span></span>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Allerbest!</font></div>
<div align="left"> </div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Jonny
Meibohm</font></div></div>
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