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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 09 August 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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From: </span><span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language maintenance" 2007.08.08 (02) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
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<p style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish <<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language maintenance" 2007.08.06 (03) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></p><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
... my justification for this was my PNG birth made me a sort of </span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">Pacific Islander, and Maori were the Pacific Islanders native to New Zealand,
</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">and we Pacific Islanders should stick together.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Wesley Parish</span></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Now
substitute "European", "White people", "Jews" or indeed anybody you
like for "Pacific Islander". Suddenly doesn't sound so admirable does
it?</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Paul Finlow-Bates</div></div><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: <span id="_user_jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">jonny</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">
jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"></span><br>Subject: LL-L "Language maintenance" 2007.08.08 (02) [E]</p><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Concerning 'pragmatists' and
'ideologists':</font></span>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Churchill
was a pragmatist, Hitler an ideologist.</font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Who was the
democratic one of them two??</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Allerbest!</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Jonny Meibohm<br><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></font>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"></span><br>
Subject: Language maintenance</p>
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Jonny:</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); margin-left: 40px;"><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Churchill
was a pragmatist, Hitler an ideologist.</font></span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); margin-left: 40px;"><span></span> </div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); margin-left: 40px;"><span><font face="Lucida Sans Unicode">Who was the
democratic one of them two??</font></span></div>
<br><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Furthermore, Churchill was English and American, Hitler Austrian and naturalized German; Churchill was of aristocratic descent, Hitler of dirt-poor peasant descent; Churchill stuttered, Hitler didn't; Churchill was a carnivore, Hitler a vegetarian; Churchill has been argued to have committed crimes against humanity (mostly for having masses of working-class Germans killed), Hitler had people killed because of their supposed ethnic backgrounds ...
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">So what does it all have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you trying to argue with a single example that ideologists are not inclined toward democracy?
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">On what is democracy based? Not on ideology? A common definition of "ideology" is "organized collection of ideas." Democracy takes a lot of effort and discipline, thus a strong ideological foundation to pull it off. Dictatorships are far simpler and don't care about "niceties" like human rights, decency and shared decision-making, so you might argue they're quite pragmatic.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Gettin' the drift?</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br></div>
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