<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 08 September 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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=========================================================================</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span>
<span id="_user_ezinsser@icon.co.za" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Elsie Zinsser</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">
ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.09.07 (08) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi all,<br><br>I agree,
Paul, but you are forgetting the fact that the first speakers of
proto-Afrikaans<br>were not
European visitors but indigenous Khoi people and slaves from Indonesia and<br>Guam (with
surnames such as Badrodien), trying to communicate using the linguistic<br>and
dialectic mix of the new visitors/rulers and resulting in a massive simplified
tongue.<span> </span><br><br>I think it
was Edith Raidt who suggested that Afrikaans first developed amongst women<br>and
children!<span> </span><br><br>By 1700,
current characteristics (such as the double negative, dropping of verb ending
–en<br>as in
'belas' instead of 'belasten', and 'die' replacing 'de' and 'het') were already
established,<br>so the
influence of French and German was doubtful, but for the surnames of the new
arrivals.</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Regards,<br>Elsie
Zinsser</span></font></span></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="sg">
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="q">
<p style="margin-left: 36pt;"><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">A lot
of "proto-Afrikaners" were clearly of Dutch origins, but when you see
how many Afrikaans surnames are of French, Portuguese, German and Swedish origin
(amongst many others), they obviously weren't all from the Netherlands.</span></font><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 36pt;"><font color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Paul
Finlow-Bates</span></font></p></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: Language varieties<br><br>Thanks a lot, Elsie. That sure needed to be pointed out.<br><br>I never heard about the Guam part before. Has anyone ever claimed that there is some influence from Chamorro then?<br><br>
It also bears mentioning that some slaves came from Sri Lanka and parts of India, by the way.<br><br>Intensification by means of reduplication of adjectives and adverbs (e.g., <span style="font-style: italic;">gou-gou</span>
) in Afrikaans may well be a Malay feature (e.g., <span style="font-style: italic;">cepat-cepat</span>).<br><br>Since slaves from the Indonesian Archipelago came from different linguistic backgrounds, I assume that what most of them initially had as their common lingua franca was what is known as "Bazaar Malay" (
</span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Melayu Pasar</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">) on which also the (Omong) Betawi variety of Jakarta is based. If so, I would postulate that it was in large part this Bazaar Malay that influenced Afrikaans.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br>Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span>
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