<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 14 September 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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=========================================================================</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span>
<span id="_user_helgetietz@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Helge Tietz <<a href="mailto:helgetietz@yahoo.com">helgetietz@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.09.13 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Hi Lowlanders,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Considering the origins of the English word "bat"
I somehow feel tempted that it might have "Lowlandic", possibly
Dutch-Flemish origins because "bat" is very much a part of the Lower
Franconian and even Ripuarian and Middle-Franconian vocabulary and
means "to help, to support". Its use is even documented as far south as
the southern parts of Rhineland-Palatine (ref. Friedrich Engels,
Fraenkische Zeit), a common sentence is "et bat all nix", meaning "it
didn't help" or "it didn't work". But it is not part of the Lower Saxon
dialects, at least not in Sleswig-Holsten and I don't know whether it
is present in any Frisian dialect. If it is it might very well have
Anglo-Saxon roots, otherwise it might have entered the English language
from Lower Franconian areas such as Flanders.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Helge</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_mrdreyer@lantic.net" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Mark Dreyer <<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><span id="_user_helgetietz@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.09.13 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<div><span>Dear Ron:</span></div><span class="q">
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<div><span>Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"</span></div>
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<div><span>Is that "sousing" as in
"smiting" or "knocking off one's pedestal," or is it a typo for "rousing"?
I rather wish the latter is the case, for I certainly did not intend to smite
you in any way. Anyway, as the German saying goes, <span style="font-style: italic;">Unkraut vergeht nicht</span>, as we saw about one
year ago. ;-)</span></div>
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<div><span>Sorry! A bit of family
English there, I suppose. We would say 'behoorlik gesous' - 'thoroughly sauced'
(think of the ketchup bottle) where an Englishman would say 'thoroughly
peppered', like with birdshot, at a grouse shoot or even an artillary
bombardment. Well they do have a reputation - & a stiff upper lip - to errr,
uphold... Of course the assumption is that the man or grouse that passes through
it was either not necessarily or alternatively not SERIOUSLY penetrated
- by any of it.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Anyway, as we also say,
'<em>Onkruid vergaan nie', </em>en 'n bietjie sous maak nie seer nie,
nê!</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Ruth says Hi! back &
thank you for the kind Rosh HaShana Greetings.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Greetings,</span></div>
<div><span>Us (Mark &
Ruth)<br><br>----------<br><br></span>From: <span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>>
</span><span id="_user_mrdreyer@lantic.net" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"></span><span id="_user_helgetietz@yahoo.com" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"></span><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.09.13 (06) [E]<br>
<br><div style="font-size: 12pt;">"Sousing", where I come from, is a soaking. Sometimes in vinegar (soused herring).</div>
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Paul Finlow-Bates<br><br>----------<br><br><span>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br><br>Hi, Paul!<br><br>Yes, I'm familiar with the more commonly used "to souse" in the sense of "to soak" or "to pickle" (as in "soused herring"). (See under "Did you know this?" in my article:
<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/travels/taste-fish.php">lowlands-l.net/travels/taste-fish.php</a>) It just didn't make sense to me in the context, and this is why I looked for alternatives.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">
Oxford English Dictionary</span>:</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br><br></span></span>1. <span style="font-weight: bold;">souse</span>, v. [f. <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=ER4N-gGOs2P-10583&result_place=7&xrefword=souse&ps=n.&homonym_no=1" target="_top">
<small>SOUSE</small></a> <i>n.</i><sup><small>1</small></sup>, or ad. OF. <i>*souser</i>.] [Various parts of a pig or other animal, esp. the feet and ears, prepared or preserved for food by means of pickling. -- a. OF. <i>
sous</i> (<i>souz</i>, <i>soulz</i>, <i>soult</i>, = Prov. <i>soutz</i>, <i>sols</i>), or <i>souce</i>, ad. OHG. <i>sulza</i>, OS. <i>sulta</i>, or directly f. the Germanic stem <i>sult-</i> (see <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=salt&ps=v.&homonym_no=1" target="_top">
<small>SALT</small></a> <i>v.</i><sup><small>1</small></sup> and <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=silt&ps=n." target="_top">
<small>SILT</small></a> <i>n.</i>), whence also It. <i>solcio</i> pickle, condiment.<br>
<ul><li>To prepare or preserve (meat, fish, etc.) by steeping in some kind of pickle, esp. one made with vinegar or other tart liquor.</li><li>To steep or soak <i>in</i> honey, oil, etc.</li><li>
To plunge or immerse (a person, etc.) deeply or thoroughly <i>in</i> or <i>into</i> water, etc. Also with other preps. and without const.</li><li>
To drench or soak with water, etc.</li><li>
In 18th cent., to impose upon, to swindle, etc.</li><li>
Of rain or water: To drown <i>out</i> (a fire).</li><li>
To intoxicate thoroughly. Chiefly in pa. pple. Now <i>slang.</i></li><li>
To dash or pour (a quantity of water or something containing this).</li><li>
To soak; to be or become soaked or drenched; to fall with a plunge; to go plunging or sinking in water, etc.</li><li><i>dial.</i> To have a thorough wash.</li><li>
To drink so as to become intoxicated, to carouse. <i>slang.</i></li><li>
To flow or fall in copious streams. <i>Obs.</i><br></li></ul> </div></div>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">2. </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">souse</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, v. [Related to </span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=souse&ps=n.&homonym_no=2" target="_top">
<small>SOUSE</small></a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">n.</i><sup style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><small>2</small></sup><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
] [A heavy blow -- Of obscure origin, perh, imitative; cf. MHG. and MLG. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sûs</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> (G. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
saus</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, Du. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">gesuis</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, etc.), noise, din.] </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<ul style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><li>To strike, smite, or beat severely or heavily.</li><li>With advs. or preps.: To dash <i>against</i>, knock or cast <i>down</i>, etc., with or by a heavy blow or impact.</li><li>
<i>absol.</i> To deliver heavy blows. <i>Obs.</i></li><li> <i>intr.</i> To fall heavily or with some weight.<a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=souse&ps=n.&homonym_no=2" target="_top">
<small><br></small></a></li></ul> <p style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></p><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">3. </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">souse</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
, v. [f. </span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=souse&ps=n.&homonym_no=3" target="_top">
<small>SOUSE</small></a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">n.</i><sup style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><small>3</small></sup><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
2.] [Alteration of </span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=souse&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=7&xrefword=source&ps=n." target="_top">
<small>SOURCE</small></a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">n.</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> 2a.] [</span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Hawking</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">. The act of rising on the wing, on the part of a hawk or other bird. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Obs. -- </i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
a. OF. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sors</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">*surs</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span>
<i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">*sours</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> masc., and </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">surse</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span>
<i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sourse</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">source</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> (mod.F. </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
source</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">) fem., substantival uses of the pa. pple. of </span><i style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">sourdre</i><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> to rise or spring]
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><ul style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><li><i>Hawking</i>. <i>Obs.</i></li><ul><li>The act, on the part of a bird, of rising from the ground, as giving the hawk an opportunity to strike. Only in phr.
<a name="50231654se1"></a><b><i>at </i></b>(<i><b>the</b></i>)<i><b> souse</b></i>.</li><li>The act, on the part of a hawk, of swooping down upon a bird. Also <i>fig.</i></li></ul></ul><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">