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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 08 October 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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<span id="_user_henry.pijffers@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Henry Pijffers <<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language use" 2007.10.07 (03) [E/LS]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Ron wrote:</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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Yared is not the only well-known "black" person that speaks Low Saxon</blockquote><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Where
I'm from, there are many autochtonous (coloured if you like) people
that speak the local dialect. If you work in a factory, or play at a
football club, and everybody speaks Low Saxon, what else can you do but
adapt?
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">cheers,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Henry</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Language use<br><br>Hi, Henry!<br><br>I'm not surprised to hear that about the situation left of the border, simply because "dialect" is still being spoken regularly and openly by people of all ages, people aren't as uptight about these issues. Discussions of the sort you're witnessing with regard to the situation right of the border are thus only partly relevant. This is one of the reasons why I advocate "looking across the garden fence," but even that tends to be dismissed since some have decided that what is being spoken in the Netherlands is a creature of an alien kind, is thus irrelevant.
<br><br>Not too long ago I bumped into an African American that could hold a simple conversation in "Platt" with me. He had learned it while living in the Rostock area. Also, I know of Turks and other "guest workers" that speak the it, even in Hamburg where the language still pretty much leads an underground existence. None of this should come as a real surprise, but to most in such places (outside Eastern Friesland and surrounding areas) it still is, and it's considered a big deal. You have to understand the historical ins and outs to fully appreciate this. To start with, in most areas it's still a great surprise to hear a younger person
</font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"> (of our children's or grandchildren's generation)</font><font style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" size="2"> use the language. Why, we were directly and indirectly discouraged to use it, certainly use it in public. Considering this, how would a younger person that has "alien" written all over him or her manage to speak it
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">now</span>?<br><br>Having Yared act as one of the hosts of this program may be beneficial, if only to make some people think (which, as you know, can be quite a task in itself). This is not to say that I believe he's merely a token figure. From what I can tell, he has a pleasant on-screen presence.
<br><br>The need to make people rethink is also one of the reasons why I was pleased that young Silke Mansholt (from Eastern Friesland, now in Southern England) won the Freudenthal Prize twice (1997, 2004) and presented her works in the form of avant-garde performance art, raising quite a few bushy eyebrows. All I can say is "Go, Freudenthal Society!"
<br><br>Kumpelmenten,<br>Reinhard/Ron<span style="font-style: italic;"></span></font><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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