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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 19 October 2007 - Volume 04</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
========================================================================</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span>
<span id="_user_ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Ben J. Bloomgren" <<a href="mailto:ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com">ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com</a>></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" id="mb_0">
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<div><font size="2">However, it's used far less than it is in English.
I wonder if the frequency with which it is used in English has something to do
with Britain being an<br>island that is fairly narrow east-west but is fairly
long north-south.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Possibly so. We don't use compass directions that
religiously down in Arizona, but we do use up for north and down for south as I
said. Unfortunately there are people who don't know what direction things are in
comparison to one another, and they'll say "I'm down in Oregon and you are up in
Arizona".</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Ben</font></div></div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_desnerck.roland@skynet.be" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Roland Desnerck</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:desnerck.roland@skynet.be">desnerck.roland@skynet.be</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.18 (03) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<font size="2">Beste Ron, hallo Lowlanders, jup
Laiglangers,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">About "up" and "down" ...</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">In onze Oostendse zeemanstaal:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">No boovn voarn: naar het noorden (van de Noordzee,
Vesterhav) varen. Ook: hoge voarn (hoog varen).</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">No beneen voarn: naar het zuiden, naar de Vlaamse
kust varen. </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Hebben misschien wel te maken met land- of
zeekaarten. Vele zeekaarten waren nochtans met het zuiden naar
boven!</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">De Oostendse naam voor de kaartenkamer aan boord is
"tsjaatroem", dit is natuurlijk het Engels "chart room" ...</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Tussen haakjes beste Ben J.: ik heb ook even moeten
denken aan "downtown" ... </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Toetnoasteki.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Roland Desnerck uit Oostende,
West-Vlaanderen.<br><br>----------<br><br></font>From: <span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk
</a>></span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="lg"></span><br>Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.19 (02) [E]<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">From: R. F. Hahn <
<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">Subject: Idiomatica </span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q"></span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">This
is an interesting one, since practically every US American says "back
east" in reference to the west coast, even those that never lived there
or have living relatives there. This seems to show that there's
nationally shared, "ingrained" consciousness of European colonization
having begun on the east coast and the west being "new land." </span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q"></span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">Is this so in Canada as well?</span>
<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q"></span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">Regards,</span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="q">Reinhard/Ron</span></div><div><br>Although
it's rare now, many Australians born in pre-WWII years once referred to
the UK as "home" even though many, perhaps most, had never been there.</div> <div> </div> <div>A
combination of changing sense of identity in Australia, and the steady
loss of people of that age, has pretty well elimnated the habit.</div><span class="sg"> <div> </div> <div>Paul Finlow-Bates</div></span><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: </span><span id="_user_heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">
heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>"</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"> <<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><span id="_user_wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25); font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
</span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif;" class="lg"></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2007.10.19 (02) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Ron wrote<br></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" size="2">"My aunt used to live back east."</font><br></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br>This is an interesting one, since practically every US
American says "back east" in reference to the west coast, even those
that never lived there or have living relatives there. This seems to
show that there's nationally shared, "ingrained" consciousness of
European colonization having begun on the east coast and the west being
"new land." </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Isn't this in line with saying 'back home' ?</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"I'm going back home " could be divided up as either I'm
going back / home or I'm going / back home certainly if the verb
is omitted you could reply:</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Where are you going this weekend?" " Back home" instead of just "home"</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">What are you doing next year? </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">I'm going back to school. </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Back to School!</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Yup! back to the old grindstone and get some more qualifications.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">It seems as tho' all these start off as complete sentences using '
to go back': when abbreviated, the verb is dropped and the preposition
sticks to the noun. This then spawns similar constructions - hence
'back east'</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Heather</div><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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