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<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 29 October 2007 - Volume 04</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
========================================================================</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From: Wesley Parish <
<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz">wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.10.28 (03) [E]
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> From: Paul Finlow-Bates <</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">
wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.27
(01) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> From: Sandy Fleming <
</span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2007.10.25 (06) [E/German]</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> In the UK a city is usually defined as a place with cathedral (which is</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> the seat of a bishop, as I understand it). This means that since there
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> are few cathedrals in Scotland, there are few cities, and one of them is</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> the small town of Kirkwall in Orkney because of the magnificent St</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Magnus Cathedral there.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Sandy Fleming</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> </span><a style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a>
<br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> This is a cart before the horse situation, at least in England; a city is a
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> city by Royal Charter. Leicester only became a city in the early 20thC,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> and then St. Martin's, the biggest mediaeval church, became the cathedral.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> In Derby it was even later - the 1980's. The city now has a cathedral, and</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> a Cathedral Road, but only since then.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> On the other hand, the huge churches at Southwell (Nottinghamshire) and</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Beverley (Yorkshire), though episcopal centres, are "Minsters", and neither
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> town is a city. Nottingham has been a city for far longer than either of</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> its neighbours Leicester and Derby, but doesn't have a cathedral as it</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> falls under Southwell.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> In England, cities make cathedrals, not the other way round.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">New Zealand apparently takes the Scottish side in that argument. Though I</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">suspect a lot had to do with the early establishment of provincial government</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">in 1853. - and a lot of swelled heads ...
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Thus we have the City of Nelson, capital of the Nelson Province, until</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">provincial government was abolished in 1876; it was also where a cathedral,</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">the centre of a diocese, was established. It is one of the smallest cities
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">in New Zealand.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
While, for me, as a neo-Melanesian - ie, born in PNG, in the backblocks, of</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">European descent - a village has always been a settlement of about twenty to
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">thirty houses, no specialization apart from ritual necessities - ie, no trade</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">stores, pubs, etc - and a population of about eighty to a hundred and twenty.</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
I've never been able to get my head around the English custom of calling a</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">settlement with a high degree of specialization and a population of several
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">thousand, a village. But that's just me. ;)</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Wesley Parish</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Scotland may well be different.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><snip></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">> Paul Finlow-Bates</span><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;" id="mb_0">
<br>--<br>Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish<br>-----<br>Gaul is quartered into three halves. <br>Things which are impossible are equal to each other. <br>Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks.
<br>Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom<br>of the foolish.<br>-----<br>Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?<br>You ask, what is the most important thing?<br>Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
<br>I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,sans-serif;">
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