<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 15 November 2007 - Volume 05</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">
<span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Language used"
2007.11.16 (06) [E]<br><br></span><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"> sassisch@yahoo.com
</a> ><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><div style="margin-left: 40px;" class="Ih2E3d">Subject: Language use<br><br>Hi, Paul!<br><br>Obviously I can't speak for Jonny, but I can tell you that I didn't get your meaning right away either.
<br><br></div></span><div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">.......</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
That's was my take on it.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Regards,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br></div> <span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br></div>No, it looks like I got the wrong
idea!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cheers</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>Paul Finlow-Bates<br><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">----------<br><br></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">jonny</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de
</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="HcCDpe">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Language used" 2007.11.16 (06) [E]</span><br><br></span><div id="1ezb" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">
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<div><span><font face="Courier New">Thanks, Paul
and Ron,</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">for having cleared
up some missunderstandings.</font></span></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">Paul
wrote:</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">><font face="Arial"> What I find even more surprising is that other Lowlanders seem
to regard this anti-German feeling as a good thing, to be encouraged.</font>
</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span>I don't think it's
too bad to be a little bit anti-German from time to time- it keeps us to be
in practice ;-)!</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span>This slight
missinterpretation reminds me at a story often told by my father. In
the early fifties from time to time he used to visit a man with the
illustrious name 'Onno Menno Onnen' in Eastern Frisia</span>.<span> He always got invited for a cup of the famous Frisian
tea (the latter described by a certain R.F.H. here: <a href="http://www.lowlands-l.net/travels/teetied.php" target="_blank">http://www.lowlands-l.net/travels/teetied.php</a> )
with the words "Kom' 'rin, kom' 'rin! Loot 's Tey drinken un praten! Wat givvt'
Neyet in Duitsland?" ("Come in for a cup of tea and a little talk. What's the
news in Germany?"[Watch the Frisian/Dutch words
<em><strong>'praten'</strong></em> and
<em><strong>'Duitsland'</strong></em>...]).- Perhaps I should mention that
Eastern Frisia always belonged to the 'Holy Roman Empire of the German Nations'
and already since A.D. 1744 had been under Prussian reign before A.D. 1871
there was a united Germany established.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span>Similar things
could have happened in all the German provinces situated at the boarders of the
main land, as history shows in the case of the north of Slesvig-Holstein, the
Saarland, Bavaria and even East Prussia whose inhabitants always made a
difference between their province and the 'Reich'.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span>But- going far
off-topic now- I think there are only very few countries in Europe one
could call 'homogeneous'; perhaps Denmark or Poland coming close to this
attribute?</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span>Ron
schreyv:</span></font></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div><font face="Courier New"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Courier New"><span><font face="Arial">> The way I understood Jonny's point was that the use of Low Saxon
introduced a more familial tone that diffused a volatile situation. The guy >
was not pleased, but Jonny's demeanor, accentuated by his use of local lingo,
took the sting out of it. </font></span></font></div></div><font face="Courier New"><span>
<div><br>You hit it! Thanks!</div>
</span></font></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div><font face="Courier New"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><span>> As you may have
noticed on occasion, people in rural Northern Germany tend to (mistakenly)
believe that proficiency in Low Saxon is </span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><span>> exclusively rural,
that this is one of the things that differentiate them from city dwellers. I
believe that this is one of the reasons why some of </span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><span>> them are surprised by
city dwellers' use and proficiency of the language and why they like to dismiss
it as unauthentic and plain wrong, </span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><span>> especially when
different and new expressions are used. <font color="#ff0000">Thereby they seem to
be declaring urban use of the language invalid, this being
</font></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><span><font color="#ff0000">> an
attempt to neutralize what they perceive as being a threat (= change).</font>
</span></font></div>
<div><span></span> </div></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">I'd rather think
everyone is welcomed here to speak Low Saxon his own way- as long as he doesn't
intend to kill our local dialect ;-)! Perhaps you should take a look here
<a href="http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/reise/598060.html?q=Amazonas%20hinterm%20Deich" target="_blank">http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/reise/598060.html?q=Amazonas%20hinterm%20Deich</a> to learn
something more about the hillbilly - clichè of our region
;-).</font></span><span></span></div>
<div> </div>
<div align="left">Allerbest<span> and nice
weekend!</span></div><font color="#888888">
<div align="left"> </div>
<div align="left">Jonny Meibohm<br><br></div>
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