<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 22 December 2007 - Volume 05
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span>
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
Marcus Buck</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Contests" 2007.12.22 (04) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <mailto:</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> * Most convenient oral language at sub-zero temperatures</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Despite the fact, that your post was meant to be fun, I must say, that</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
this is an interesting point ;-) We can trace the original home of the</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Indo-Europeans by words which are common through all Indo-European
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">languages. If I remember correctly, the horse is one of those things</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">which link all Indo-Europeans. But there are few agrarian terms common</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
to the Indo-Europeans. So we know some things about the lifestyle of</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">those people although we have no excavations or something like that.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It would be interesting to know, whether the language of the Inuit is</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">more 'close-mouthed' than the languages of pygmies who have lived for</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
tens of thousands years near the equator. Seems a rather pointless bit</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">of knowledge at first, but if it turns out to be true, you can use it,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">for example to look, whether the native languages in America are more</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">close-mouthed than the average. That could proof, that they stem from</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
languages imported from Siberia. If they are more open-mouthed they</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">perhaps stem from very early immigrants from Africa. Well, I guess,
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">languages have changed too much over time to find any such evidence, but</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">the idea is not that silly, so researching it may be of worth. Maybe</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It seems, my post about that contest provoked answers making fun of it.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I know, it is a pointless contest. But, is not most of our whole live</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">pointless? I really sought for an answer ;-)
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>Marcus Buck</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Contests</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Marcus,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">There's pointless and there's pointless, and then there's dangerously pointless.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"Most beautiful language" is a concept that is better left in the past, not only because beauty is in the eye of the beholder but also because, by virtue of its very focus, this particular contest will in great part be based on prejudices that have little or nothing to do with language. For instance, many people consider German "ugly" mostly because they have a blanket prejudice against Germans, and they find French and Italian "beautiful" because they have been taught to love Paris in the Springtime, operatic art written for Italian, and to dream of summers in Tuscany. What is to be learned from that and from the fact that speakers of many languages find "guttural" sounds unpleasant? Our parents' and grandparents' generations knew little or no English and thought the language sounded "ugly," what with those diphthongs and those lisps. We and our descendants have come to like it because we have learned it and because we associate it with cool music, international communication and the like.
<br><br>Not long ago, someone that grew up with Dutch as a second language and likes it well enough told me that she finds German "unpleasantly guttural." Think about this one!<br></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">As for me personally, a person proclaiming that a given language is beautiful or ugly signals that he or she is stuck on a superficial level. I would expect further proclamations such as "Language X is very grammatical," "... historical," "... phonetic," "... a speech impediment," and I have heard all of the above. What does such stuff accomplish other than perpetuate stereotypes and ignorance and legitimize subjectivity? And then sponsored by a
</span><u style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">country</u><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">To me personally, "most beautiful language" is almost as bad as "most beautiful race," or "the beautiful sex." As I have said time and time again, in my world there is not such thing. Comparing languages is like comparing apples with oranges, kiwi fruit, cucumbers, watermelons, persimmons, lettuce, tomatoes, broccoli and parsley. I love them all.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">And, yes, I find human beauty contests pretty darn silly, too, something that does more harm than good. But that's personal and an extraneous can of worms.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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