<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 24 December 2007 - Volume 03
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2007.12.23 (01) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
What we appear to have here, is the eternal problem of drawing lines in
a continuum. Where does red become orange, or orange, yellow?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Here
in the southern half of our island, we got cut adrift to some extent,
and developed a discrete language with no direct blurring with our
continental relatives. We named ourselves, and the language, after a
people with little current status back in the homeland (imagine the
confusion if we'd decided on "Saxonish" rather than "English"!) . But
one of the the other mobs in the island also diverged on a continuum,
and they decided to name their version after a people who spoke no kind
of Lowlands language at all, not even a Germanic language.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Makes them Usurping Central German "Saxons" almost seem like part of the family doesn't it?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Paul F-B</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Names</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Yes, Paul, there </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">is </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
a continuum ... of sorts, for instance with respect to historical phonology, as is the case in all language groups, or would be the case if all members survived or were known otherwise.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">However, I take issue with the traditional practice of grouping Germanic languages only or primarily by phonological criteria, especially by the presence or absence of sound shifts. This is overly simplified and ignores important morphological and lexical features. Already Old ("High") German and Old Saxon differed markedly in many regards. Greatly fortified by its international role, Middle Saxon continued unencumbered in the Saxon tradition. Late Middle and Early Modern German influences began with the end of the Hanseatic League and the beginning of the Reformation. Yes, on the German side of the border German influences continued, Dutch influences on the Netherlands' side, but these have not altered the fundamental structure of Low Saxon. There are still many clearly Saxon or at least Low German (
i.e. common Low Saxon and Low Franconian) words (e.g. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">snaak </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">'snake', </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
braam </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">'(Scotch) broom') as well as Saxon morphosyntactic features (that seem "Anglesque" to German speakers, e.g. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Daar het hey nu tyd <u>voer</u></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 'He has time </span><u style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">for</u><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
that/it now', cf. German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Da<u>für</u> hat er jetzt Zeit</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">).<br><br>But even in historical phonology there is a marked difference in that the Low German varieties retain some Ingveonic features or alternatives (
e.g. <i>us ~ uns ~ ons </i>'us', <i>vyv </i>'five' v German <i>uns</i> and <i>fünf</i>).<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br>P.S.: We had the most amazing moon on the night of Winter Solstice here in Santa Cruz, California.
<br><br></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">