<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 30 December 2007 - Volume 01</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Song Contest: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/contest/">lowlands-l.net/contest/</a> (- 31 Dec. 2007)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">
<span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Ben J. Bloomgren</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com">ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Language varieties"
2007.12.29 (05) [E]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id="1ewk" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">What's the matter with you, son?! Anything that happened
in Mexico? You're scaring me.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br></div></div>
<div><font size="2">Weyyal, nothing really happened down there. I still
wish that I was there. My mom bought me that CD way, and I do mean way! back in
like 1994 or 5 for a summer program in which I participated wherein we were
doing little bits about our heritage. I said to my mom while we were in Borders
or somewhere: "Mom? Do you see anything here that's German?" She said yes
and that's what I have. Why does it scare you? Scary stuff or
something?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Ben</font></div></div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="lDACoc">
<<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span class="HcCDpe"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.12.29 (05) [E]</span><br></span><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" face="Times New Roman">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>Talking 'bout Nazis, guess they
didn't talk so much Platt (I could be </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">wrong)...</span></font>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">I have often heard Platt given the stigma of a
nazi language. Has anyone information about a role of Plattdeutsch in nazi
ideology? Was Plattdeutsch supported by the nazis? Or was it just a language as
languages are, medium of communication for good and bad ideas? I heard
there was a slogan "Ein deutscher Jung snackt Platt", a slogan that is said to
have done much harm to the language after the nazis were done with. But an old
friend has told me that his father, a country lawyer, was forbidden to talk
Platt with his clients because none of the local nazis in charge could
follow their conversation, and they (the nazis) were just heart-broken not to
know what people talked around them ;-) So Platt was in this case a nazi-free
oasis. I'm sure there must be a dissertation of some germanist or
historian about "Niederdeutsch in der NS-Zeit" or so. It just cries out to
be dissertated on. Does anyone know?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">En freedvulles un glückliches Johr 2008 för
Juuch all!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman">Marlou<br><br>----------<br><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">
<span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.12.29 (05) [E]<br></span><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" face="Times New Roman">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br></span><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="Ih2E3d">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn
<<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">That would be
an Eastphalian Low Saxon (locally </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Oostföelsch</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">)
dialect, if I'm not mistaken. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</div></blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Oostföelsch? Never saw that spelling. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Ostfäälsch</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> is more common.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div class="Ih2E3d">
<br>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From: Luc Hellinckx <span><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank">
luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
</div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="Ih2E3d"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Talking 'bout
Nazis, guess they didn't talk so much Platt (I could be</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">wrong), even
though the Volkswagen headquarters are in Wolfsburg, which</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">is only 25 km
northeast of Braunschweig</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</div></blockquote><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
The role of Plattüütsch in national socialism is hard to assess. There
were Low Germans engaged in the system. The writer Hans Massaquoi (he
was one of the few Blacks in the Hamburg of the 1940s) in his book </span><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Neger,
Neger, Schornsteinfeger</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> describes his teacher (and well-known Low
German writer) Heinrich Wriede as a real racist and active in
propagating Nazi ideas.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Some more can be read in this (German) article:
</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="http://www.akens.org/akens/texte/journal/nsplatt.html" target="_blank"><http://www.akens.org/akens/texte/journal/nsplatt.html></a><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
An example:</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Dor stammt en Schipp dör Storm un Floot,<br>
keen Wind, keen Well kriggt dat in Noot, [...]</i></font>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><i>Dütschland!</i></font></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><i>De Schippskoptein op hoge Brügg<br>
kiekt stur liek ut un nümmer trügg. [...]<br>
Hitler!<br>
</i></font></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Well, Nazis did use Low German and Low
Germans did take part in national socialism. But, of course, the
language was only a medium used to spread the propaganda. The language
was not encouraged by the regime an was not directly positively valued
by the ideology. There was not more promotion for the language than
before. And I'm sure, if Hitler had won his war, today the status of
Low German would have been not better.<br>
The ideology officially said they value the <i>unique German Volkstum</i>
high, but <i>ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer </i>centralism
contradicted that a bit. Volkstum diversity and totalitarian uniformity
were both values of the ideology. Which of both points would win in the
end was not yet decided when the system took its end. My opinion is,
that uniformity would have ranked higher.<br>
</font></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Low German language was not on the agenda of
the Nazis. They didn't fight it and they didn't further it especially.
Much like today.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><small><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Marcus Buck</span></font><br>
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