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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 07 January 2008 - Volume 01
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">
Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.06 (03) [E]<br></span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"> sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">> </span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Subject: Etymology<br><br>Folks,<br><br>I wonder if "spring" for a water source is primarily a Saxonism.<br><br>Modern English and Modern Low Saxon have this word alone (non-compound) with this meaning in common. .....
<br><br></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Any input would be welcome.<br><br>Reinhard/Ron<br></span></blockquote> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Is "spring" as in to leap or
bound from a similar origin (i.e. the water "leaps" out of the ground)?</div> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div> <span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Paul</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Ed Alexander</span> <span class="lDACoc">
<<a href="mailto:edsells@cogeco.ca">edsells@cogeco.ca</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.06 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
At 06:56 PM 06/01/2008 -0800, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite"> The Dutch and Afrikaans suffixing of a word for "people" seems
to be being "reenacted" these days in American English, where
the use of an older polite form did away with the distinction between
singular and plural, and the plural is now being restored by the addition
of "guys" to "you." If this becomes formalized,
English may end up with "you" for the singular and with
something like *"youguys" for the plural. </blockquote><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I don't know where youseguys get some of your ideas, but
"youseguys," "youguys" and "yall" have been
a very normal part of American English for centuries and I doubt if they
were "invented" on this side of the pond. In Canadian
English, "youseguys" is disappearing in favour of
"youguys", probably because it seems less
"vulgar." These are not "new" forms, but old
forms that are being suppressed in all their forms.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite"><font size="2">Though I use you guys
to speak of second person plural, I haven't any objections to yall or
even you all. When I hear you all with the two words clearly demarcated,
I think of a much larger group of people included in the second person
plural than I do when I hear yall without the demarcation.
</font></blockquote><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Quite right. Unlike "youseguys", "yall" can be
addressed to just one person!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
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Ed Alexander</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">
Elsie Zinsser</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.04 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Hi all,</span></font></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Thanks, Diederik, Marcel
and Mark for the Afrikaans words relating to </span></font></span><b><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold;">Indo-European:</span></font></b></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-weight: bold;"><span> </span></span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="color: black;">
*<i><span style="font-style: italic;">leudh-</span></i> 'to
go freely', 'to grow'<i><span style="font-style: italic;">* > *leudho </span></i>'people'.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 18pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">>And I just noticed that apparently
Dutch is the only Germanic/W.European language that does not use the latin word
"muscle" but "spier". Anyone knows other Germanic languages
that use a more "original" word? </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">I would
think 'bil' is quite an interesting meaning of muscle too besides 'spier'?<br><br>Cheers,</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="black" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">E Zinsser</span></font></p><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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