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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 09 January 2008 - Volume 02
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">
Diederik Masure</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.01.07 (07) [E]<br><br></span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<div><div style="margin-left: 40px;">>>>From: Danette & John Howland <<a href="mailto:dan_how@msn.com" target="_blank">dan_how@msn.com</a>> <br>>>>Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.07
(05) [E]<br>>>><br>>>>Hello, all (I can never bring myself to say you guys--sounds vulgar to me).<br>>>><br>>>> Elsie wrote:<br></div>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 77.52pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(Quote)
And I just noticed that apparently Dutch is the only
Germanic/W.European language that does not use the latin word "muscle"
but "spier". Anyone knows other Germanic languages that use a more
"original" word? (end quote)</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 40px;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">>>>English
retains the word "brawn," of germanic origin, I think. It seems to me
that brawn is less used in American >>>English than when I was
a child.</span></font></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">>>>John Howland</span></font><br><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></div></div></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thank you, very interesting! I don't think I've ever met this word before, in English... </span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://www.etymonline.com/" target="_blank">
www.etymonline.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
traces it back to some older *brado, which then confirmed my assumption
this word is related to Southern Dutch/Brabantish braai (sometimes
spelled "brui" here, since both Dutch "aai" and "ui" are pronounced as
some kind of "oi"). Braai/brui is the muscle in the back of your down
leg, called "kuit" in St. Dutch. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
Diederik</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL">ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL
</a>> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2008.01.07 (07) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">What a coincidence, Ron, in the village where I grew up, lived a family</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
named Wemmenhoven. That was in the village Zuidwolde, South Western part</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">of the province Drenthe, in the Northern Netherlands.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"Hoven" is simply the plural of "hof", meaning garden or court. There are</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">many Dutch toponyms ending in -hoven, such as Eindhoven. But why do you</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
ask, you know someone by that name?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Groetz</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ingmar</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ron Bronemann schreef:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I am seeking the meaning of "hoven" as used in surname WEMMENHOVEN.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I was unable to find any help in a Dutch dictionary.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
En Elsie schreef:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">And I just noticed that apparently Dutch is the only
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Germanic/W.European language that does not use the latin word "muscle" but</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"spier". Anyone knows other Germanic languages that use a more "original"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
word?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ja, Elsie, Dutch reserves this Latin derived word in the form of "mossels"
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">specially for mussels, I guess that's the same in Afrikaans? It's the</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">favorite food of my Zeeland-Flemish mother, relatives of her were mussel</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
fishers in Yerseke, another part of Zeeland. Groetz, Ingmar</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">
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