<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 23 January 2008 - Volume 01
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">
Maria Elsie Zinsser</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (02) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Hi all,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Interesting word which I know from my children's
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">German speaking grandmother as in:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
'Der hat mich aus 200 Rand verschummelt!'</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">She grew up in Offenburg (Baden-Würtenberg) but had
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">many Jiddish speaking friends. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Elsie </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[So what if it's related to iterative <i><span style="font-style: italic;">schummel
</span></i>~ <i><span style="font-style: italic;">schommel</span></i>? And might"scam" be related to it too? Again, the <i><span style="font-style: italic;">OED</span></i>
says its origin is obscure, but it seems to be ofAmerican origin and
has been attested only since the early 20th century. Mightit be a
variant of "sham" which has been known since the 17th century(an era of
many Dutch loans, by the way)? Is there a Dutch word * <i><span style="font-style: italic;">scham</span></i> or *<i><span style="font-style: italic;">schom</span></i>,old or new, that might be related? (I don't think that the "shame"group is related to it, though.)]
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
Mark Dreyer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (04) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Liewe Geledere:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <br>Onderwerp: LL-L
"Etymology"]<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>Reinhardus schreef:<br><br>"schummeln:<br><br>1. reinigen,
schoonmaken (to clean)<br><br>2. kuirpas,
op zijn gemak wandelen (to amble, to walk in a sloppy way) <br><br>3. oblichten
(voornamelijk in spelen) [> *schummeln* Missingsch en <br>andere Noordduitse dialecten]
(to cheat (especially in games))"</div></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>Ingmar skryf:</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">
<div>Wow, that is funny!
In colloquial Dutch "sjoemelen" means to cheat, it's <br>kind of a slang word, and I
always assumed it to be from Yiddish.</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mark
skryf:</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Wat van Afrikaans
skommel (scramble, as in 'scrambled eggs')?</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Now can't we say that
the worsd 'scramble' & 'skommel' & all the rest are (distantly)
connected?</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Die Uwe,</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mark</div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">----------<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Etymology<br><br>Hi, Mark!<br><br>I consider it entirely possible that Afrikaans <i>skommel</i> is related to this complex, probably in the sense of "stir around" ("to move back and forth quickly").
<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br>----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark Dreyer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (06) [D/E]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id="1eqw" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">
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<div><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Dear Ronald
Veenker:</span></div>
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<div>Subject: LL-L "Etymology"
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<div>Your entry:</div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div>Just for the fun of
it, etymologically speaking, the Hebrew _mazal_ is<br>derived from the Babylonian word
_manzazzu_ "constellation." I wish I<br>could trace that for you, but my
Assyrian Dictionary is currently in<br>storage. I used to be to
account for the _lamed_ in mazal... can you <br>or Ron help me with this
one?</div>
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<div>Hi
Ronald!</div>
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<div>My 'authority' that
mazal refers to celestial destiny rests only on the Jewish sources, but I
wouldn't on any account discount the information for that reason: After all,
they are bough of the same branch, Jews & Assyrians.</div>
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<div>However, from
my Akkadian Grammar, 'Lehrbuch des Akkadischen' (Riemschneider) the entry
"Manzazu [neo-Babylonian]" refers me to the entry "Mazzizu [neo Babylonian]
'Standing' or 'Established', offering for example, the mid-Assyryrian
construction 'mazziz pani' for a courtier or official, deriving from the same in
neo-Babylonian, 'manzaz pani'. That's all.</div>
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<div>By the way I enjoy
it's situation in the same cluster as 'mezzuza'. Do you have them up on your
door-frames?</div>
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<div>By the way, I rather
enjoy your cognomon, 'Now & Zen'.</div>
<div><br>Yrs,</div>
<div>Mark<br><br></div></div>
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