<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 24 January 2008 - Volume 08
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
<span><font color="#790619"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Ronald
Veenker</span></font></span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:veenker@atmc.net" target="_blank">veenker@atmc.net</a>></span> </span></font> <br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span>LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.23 (04) [D/E]<br><br></span></span></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3">
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Thanks, Mark. I find our sources in consonance with each other. I
was<br>
just dabbling in the trivia of my field. I get so much good <br>
information from this list, but have so little to give back. Yes, the<br>
Assyrian astrological vocabulary and the story of Abraham with his trip<br>
to the stars is a nice fit.<br>
<br>
Ron Veenker<br>
Holden Beach NC<br>
<br>
Family Home: Pilsum<br>
<br>
Pilsum lighthouse<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, January 23, 2008, at 03:08 PM, Lowlands-L List wrote:<br>
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> From:Mark Dreyer <</span></font><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net" target="_blank">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial">
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> Subject:LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.23 (01) [E]<br>
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> Dear Ronald Veenker:<br>
> <br>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br>
> <br>
> Further to your letter& mine:<br>
> <br>
> Just for the fun of it, etymologically speaking, the Hebrew _mazal_ is<br>
> derived from the Babylonian word _manzazzu_ "constellation." I
wish I<br>
> could trace that for you, but my Assyrian Dictionary is currently in<br>
> storage. I used to be to account for the _lamed_ in mazal... can you <br>
> or Ron help me with this one?<br>
> <br>
> My 'authority' that mazalrefers to celestial destiny rests only on<br>
> the Jewish sources, but I wouldn't on any account discount the<br>
> information for that reason: After all, they are bough of the same<br>
> branch, Jews & Assyrians.</font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial"><br>
> <br>
> My 'Authority', having come home from Israeli folk dancing, has this<br>
> to contribute:</font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial"><br>
> According to the commentries, Abraham was taken "above the stars' to<br>
> count them. We may read from the text that The Lord sent him out (of<br>
> his tent)to count the stars. This could equally well mean out (of the<br>
> World). In any event Tradition makes the point that just as he was <br>
> above the stars he was above celestial destiny over which they<br>
> preside. My authority closes the Khumash & puts it down & goes
looking<br>
> for a snack.<br>
> <br>
> Yrs,<br>
> Mark</font>
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<p><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Ronald Veenker<br>
"Now and Zen"<br>
623 Ocean Boulevard West<br>
Holden Beach, NC 28462-1805 </span></font></p></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Arend Victorie</span> <span class="lDACoc">
<<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.23 (06) [D/E/LS/German]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2">
<span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Moi Ron, Ronald en Mark.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Nederlands Bargoens woordenboek.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Mazzel = Geluk.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">"De Mazzel" = Heilwens als afscheidsgroet.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">"Mazzel en brooche" = geluk en zegen</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><Hebr.mazal. gesternte, vandaar geluk.</span></font></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Arend Victorie. </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">
sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Subject: Etymology<br><br>Thanks, Arend!<br></span><p style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"Mazzel en brooche" = geluk en zegen</span></font></p>
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></font><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Brooche</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
< Yiddish ברכה </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">brokhe </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">< Hebrew בְּרָכָה </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
brâkhâh</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">'</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">blessing'</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br></span>