<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 24 January 2008 - Volume 03
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<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">
Utz H. Woltmann</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:uwoltmann@gmx.de">uwoltmann@gmx.de</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Names" 2008.01.23 (07) [E/LS]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Dear Jonny,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d"><br>You wrote:<br><br>> in context with 'Slamatjen-Brüüg' you wrote:<br>
> *> Na wat denn nu? Keen weet daar nu wat vun af?*<br>> (How to get on? Who is the one of knowledge?)<br>><br>> Sorry- are you fishing for any compliments? Looking for honours?<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
No, not at all.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d"><br>> I fear there must be a misunderstanding between us two. Let me say: I
<br>> am no expert for anything, but I like to bring up every painful object<br>> when I feel forced to do so- errors included!<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">You are always entitled to do so. Keep it up.
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d"><br>><br>> In the majority of the cases your contributions are very well-made<br>> ('expert-like') and informative and tremendously welcomed by me (and
<br>> others, I guess).<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thanks a lot.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">
<br>> But I don't feel myself or anyone else being in a competition here on<br>> the list.<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">You are right, there is no competition on the list. But here on the list
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">there are very competent postings made by very competent people. I found</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">a Low Saxon term ('slamatje') and at first view no explanation.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
All the entries at Google were relating to the bridge by itself, no</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">entry for the term 'slamatje' was found (like 'ellhoern'). Later on I
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">found some explanatory notes, hidden or with different spelling. The</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">notes among themselves had different statements. I asked for support. My</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
posting was adressed to you because it was an answer to your competent</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">posting but my demand for support was directed to all the readers of the
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">list. May be the term 'slamatje' is still in use everywhere in the world</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">(Dutch, Afrikaans, Frisian, Low Saxon?) or someone who studied</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
historical terms can tell me something about it.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d"><br>> I am quite aware of the fact that, when keeping our messages in a
<br>> digested shape, disagreements may occure.<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I do agree.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">
<br>> Please- do not evaluate any posting too fast as a personal attack<br>> against yourself, as I myself had done so, formerly.<br><br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I did not evaluated your posting as a personal attack. When I was a
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">little boy, the world looked very simple. My mother and my dad or later</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">on the teachers told me always what was right and what was wrong (for</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
example the double negation 'nie...nich'). Today I cast doubts on many</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">things because I have learned that right or wrong is often only a
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">judgement of a social group. What is right within one social group</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">(club, village, class, nation etc.) may be wrong within another social</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
group.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Best regards</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">Utz H. Woltmann<br></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Names
<br><br>That's the spirit, boys! The Kahuna is smiling contentedly.<br><br>The Lowlands song contest flop may be an indication that competition is generally unwanted. Furthermore, no matter how learned some people may "sound" to others, nobody -- and I repeat:
<i>nobody</i> -- should feel intimidated. Any relevant question or information is welcome, no matter what a person's educational background may be. Any one person's question and the answers given will benefit everyone, and no one is permitted to ridicule others, certainly not with regard to their education, language proficiency, ethnicity, nationality and the like. And, yes, thinking outside the box, taking published opinions with grains of salt, and exploring alternative approaches is quite welcome here. This and a pinch of humor (for we don't want to take ourselves too seriously now, do we?) has been conducive to providing a friendly atmosphere for nearly thirteen years now, and hopefully we will be able to keep it up some more.
<br><br>This notwithstanding, of course there are always some more fragile egos that are prone to reading criticism into responses. That's unavoidable. But it can be minimized by everyone taking note of glimpses into individuals' personalities through their communication and to read their responses in that light before hitting the send button. Less confident Lowlanders ought to remember that no one here is out to get them, even if banter and sparring ensues once in a while. Specializing in rejecting other folks' proposals or attitudes without providing reasonable counter-proposals backed up by evidence does not constitute good manners here or anywhere else.
<br><br>Another important thing to bear in mind is that we are an international group. This means that we ought to try to think and behave accordingly. On the other hand, since we don't wish walk on egg shells either, we all ought to exercise tolerance and give people the benefit of the doubt if they offend our cultural or national sensitivities.
<br><br>It's best to remember that this gathering across cultural and national boundaries affords all of us tremendous opportunities for learning, connecting and growing. It has been giving the Kahuna and me tremendous joy to watch so many of you take advantage of this by learning by leaps and bounds, "gettin' the spirit" and hitting it off with and caring about each other around the world.
<br><br>Keep it up!<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br><br><br></span>