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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L O W L A N D S - L - 30 January 2008 - Volume 02</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Helge Tietz</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:helgetietz@yahoo.com">helgetietz@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Language politics" 2008.01.31 (02) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The relationship bewteen Northumberland and Scotland is
indeed an intersting one. Since I have lived in Tyneside for quite a
while (and as I got confirmed yesterday, the way I pronounce English is
obviously still very much derived from there) I would like to add a few
observations I made when living there:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">In many ways
Northumberland dialect an Tyneside dialect (Geordie) resemble Lallands
Scots and people from outside the UK usually cannot tell the difference
while a local Scot and Northumbrian actually can. Then again, the
differences which exist seems to stem from internal developments in
recent years, most notable the post-vocalic-r pronunciation (the
Northumberland-brrr) dissapearing from Tyneside while Lalland Scots
incl. Edinburgh has </span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://retained.it/" target="_blank">retained.it</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">.
Hundered years ago post-vocalic-r pronunciation was apparantly a common
feature of Tyneside speech as well, I haven't heard it anymore and
neither did I detect it from speakers in surrouning Northumberland or
County Durham. But this immediatly changes once crossing the border
north of Berwick upon Tweed where post-vocalic-r pronunciation is the
standard. Disappearance of the Northumberladn brrr is probably a
concession to RP but interstingly, apart from this no other concessions
have occured in Tyneside dialect and it is still common to hear the
dialect spoken throughout the "toon" and its surroundings. In a way it
seems that the popular Tyneside speech has been taken over by the rest
of Northumberland as a status symbol but the loyality to Tyneside
immediatly stops at the border where Edinburgh speech is attached to
status. Carlisle dialect in Cumbria usually belongs to Northumbrian as
well but it is a dialect apart, it almost differs as much from Tyneside
as Edinburgh does though it is not like Cumbrian dialect which is more
akin to Lancashire with plenty of old-norse words and expressions in
it. Politically I would expect the Scottish borderland-inhabitants to
be fairly open to be categorized as Northumbrian along with
Northumberland and Tyneside but I have my doubts that the people in
Northumberland and Tyneside feel much for such a proposal. They form
pretty much a unit on their own and they regard the way they pronounce
English as almost another standard besides RP, American English,
Australian English etc. but in doubt they definitely prefer to be
categorized as English rather than Scots. But again, this could change
if England itself would be devided into regions with wide-ranging
powers as some suggest, regional conscience would get a boost and this
could subsequently lead to more autnonmous thinking in Northumberland
and the attitude towards Scotland could change. But it would never
result in Northumberland joining Scotland, only as two equal partners
alongside. Or am I am wrong here, dear Geordies and Borderland Scots?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Helge</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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