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=========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:foga0301@stcloudstate.edu">foga0301@stcloudstate.edu</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" Where's that?<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span>Heather
and all,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span>
I have two seconds to write down this thought before going to work, but here's
an interesting book chapter title about a place far, far away: <span><b>BOOK]</b> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Ts35bX0aq3oC&oi=fnd&pg=PA11&dq=Baroque+%22LP+Zamora+%22&ots=8nDlUc-uWt&sig=AeVkmJNabRJtxbgN--s-P2RPyis" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204);">How Far is America from Here?: Selected Proceedings of
the First World Congress of the International …</span></a></span><span style="color: black;"><br>
<span>Dhaen, Giles, Kadir, & Zamora - 2005 - <a href="http://books.google.com/" target="_blank">books.google.com</a>.
It speaks about the new developments in the academic field called "American
Studies" which have repositioned American culture on a new (more honest)
map. Ask yourself who actually wrote the Klingon language and where
Deadwood is…[thanks Ron V] </span></span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><span style="color: black;"> Actually, though, where I'm from is 'further
away' in geographic terms than Deadwood by about 50 miles. I
sometimes describe my Wyoming home as an island in a sea of peopled
places. But it's also a great borderland between Spanish and
English domains, so it generates a lot of global-class meaning. Borders
are good places for talking honestly. If far, far away implies isolation from
the global process of making meaning, then maybe the best place to look is at
the center where meaningful distinctions are no longer possible… or are
thought out in abstract terms that distance local speakers from reality. </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span><span style="color: black;">Got to go,</span></span></p>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;">Gael Fonken<br></span></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">Heather wrote:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span>>
Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far far<br>
> away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far away'<br>
><br>
> What is acceptable as a replacement without offending anyone?</span><br><br>---------<br></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:foga0301@stcloudstate.edu">foga0301@stcloudstate.edu</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" Where's that? part 2<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">An additional comment (or two)
to follow my email to Heather above about ways to name the location of a faraway
place:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">First is this saying that Mexicanos pass around to each
other that explains their unique position in the world. "Poor
Mexico, so far from God and to close to the United States". </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">A second example is from my Saudi Arabian students who spoke
of the Caribbean in a similar manner when explaining the Bermuda Triangle where
ships are supposed to have disappeared due to mysterious (possibly evil) forces
emerging there. For them the mystery had all to do with the place being just
off the coast of Texas where President Bush is from. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Gael Fonken</p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]<br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Ronald Veenker</span> <span>wrote</span><br><br>"Try Deadwood, S.D."</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Now that does have a certain ring to it! </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">But are you sure I won't offend the natives of Deadwood? Are there any? And is it related to the Deadwood stage of song fame?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Sandy: re
"They can hear ye in Kirkcaldy." I 'm going to use the whole phrase as
suggested, I like it so much. I shall try it out on my son-in-law at
the weekend!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Out of interest what would other languages use for the same concepts?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">What represents ' a far away' place in German, Platt, Dutch, Afrikaans etc etc or do they use Timbuctoo too?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">On the same
kind of tack, in Sussex where I grew up, mothers would use the figure
of 'Boney' to frighten children into obedience. "If you don't go to
seleep,/ eat up your greens/ behave yourself, Boney will get you."
...a reference still lingering 150 years after Napoleon Bonaparte's
death.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Who are the other bogeymen around the world?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Heather</p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"></span>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">----------<br><br></span>From: <span class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]</span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="blue" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">I would
suggest Podunk as an alternative. I hear they have a great University there. Jacqueline</span></font></p>
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">----------<br><br></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Wesley Parish</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz">wes.parish@paradise.net.nz</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">On Friday 15 February 2008 11:08, Lowlands-L List wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<snip></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">> From: Sandy Fleming <<a href="mailto:sandy@scotstext.org">sandy@scotstext.org</a>><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (01) [E]<br>
><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a> <<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2008.02.13 (04) [E]<br>
> ><br>
> > Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far far<br>
> > away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far away'<br>
> ><br>
> > What is acceptable as a replacement without offending anyone?<br>
><br>
> In on the northern coast of East Lothian we generally say "Kirkcaldy"<br>
> for a place incredibly far away. Like when someone's having a loud<br>
> tantrum, we might say, "They can hear ye in Kirkcaldy." :)<br>
<br>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">In the outer Barcoo, where the churches are few</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And men of religion are scanty ...</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Past/beyond the Black Stump. ;)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Out in the wop-wops ... ;)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Wesley Parish</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<snip> •</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
--</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
warfare means up to their monkey tricks.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
of the foolish.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
You ask, what is the most important thing?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------<br><br>From: <span class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark Dreyer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></span><span class="HcCDpe"><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]<br></span></p><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id="1eme" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">
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<div><font size="2">Hi All!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Subject: Lowlands - L. Idiomatica</font></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
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<div>> Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far
far<br>> away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far
away'<br>><br>> What is acceptable as a replacement without offending
anyone?</div>
<div> </div>
</div><div><font size="2">What about that heartily Australian expression for
someplace <strong>way</strong> out in the sticks; '...out beyond Black
Stump'?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Yrs,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Mark</font><br></div></div>
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