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=========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marsha Wilson</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:marshatrue@mtangel.net">marshatrue@mtangel.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="HcCDpe"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Language politics" 2008.02.29 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br></span><div><font face="Comic Sans MS">Regarding the origin of last names.....you tell
me! My maiden name is Coin. I am apparently of Scots-Irish and Welsh
ancestry. I've never asked a linguist about the name. I suspect it
didn't come from money, as that's apparently always been missing in my family,
LOL. My great-grandmother's maiden name was True, and I carry it
also. If anyone has insight into either name, I'm all ears, as they
say.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">Marsha True Coin Wilson</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">in the cloudy lowlands of Oregon</font></div><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">-----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Oh, Marsha, Marsha! What shall we do with you?</span></span><br><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Take a lot at the archived message below.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron<br>Sleepy in Seattle</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" id="nonprop"><font size="2">From: Marsha Alley <[log in to unmask]><br>Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.05.08 (02) [E/French]<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>
From: Lowlands-L<br>To: [log in to unmask]<br>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:26 PM<br>Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.05.08 (02) [E/French]<br><br>Roger wrote:<br><br>Cougnet, Coeugniet, Cognné, Cognet, Cognez:<br>Surnom<br>
wallon: cougnès: coin (pour fendre ou caler) (Dictionnaire liégeois, Haust)<br>éventuellement avec sens fig. (érotique?)<br>Forme fém: 13e s. "Yde li Cognete" (Lens-sur-Dendre)<br><br>Comments:<br>coin in this sense is "wedge" in English.<br>
In Dutch: een "wig, spie"<br>In my Limburgish "en kal" (fem.)<br>Herbillon thinks it may be erotic in old name giving.<br><br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <[log in to unmask]><br>Subject: Names<br>
<br>Hi, Isaac, Roger, Lowlanders!<br><br>I wonder if the above-mentioned names are related to the not uncommon<br>English name Coin, supposedly a remnant from the Norman era.<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br><br>----- End Original Message -----<br>
<br>I'm glad you asked, Ron. Coin is my maiden name and I've been told it's<br>English, or Welsh or French....all by non-linguists. I'd be interested in<br>the take on it here.<br><br>Marsha True Coin Alley, divorced, soon to be Wilson remarried.....<br>
<br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <[log in to unmask]><br>Subject: Names<br><br>Hi, Marsha!<br><br>You were definitely in my mind when I asked that question, with a coworker<br>by the same name as an afterthought. I hoped it would entice you out of the<br>
woodwork, and it did. :-)<br><br>In the meantime I found that the surname Coin, Coyne, etc. (also derived as<br>Coan and Cohn, the latter apparently unrelated to Jewish Cohn, Cohen, Kohen,<br>etc.) is also found in England, Ireland, France and on the Channel Islands.<br>
There is also the surname group au Coin, Au Coin, Aucoin, etc., _au_ being<br>"in/at the."<br><br>Now here's the twist: if there was a line of Coin developed from Norman<br>French, it must have "fused" with an Irish name: Coyne, Coen, Cohen, Kyne,<br>
Kilcoyne, Coyney, Koyne, Koen, Kohen, M'Coyne, Coyn, Coin, Coine, Koin,<br>Koine, apparently from Irish (Gaelic), occurring also in its English<br>translation Barnacle, Barnicle, Barnycle, Barnackle, Barnicall, Barnickle,<br>
etc. If this is true, your next task will be to figure out if you are a<br>Norman French or Irish Coin! And if this isn't confusing enough, there is<br>also the possibility of the Jewish name Cohen, Kahn, etc. (denoting a<br>
special class of priests, the _kahan_, _kohanim_, and people with surnames<br>derived from this source may not marry each other), having been changed into<br>Coin ... (and it also fused with Irish-derived Cowan, not to mention<br>
coinciding with the German name Kahn ... as in Gabriele Kahn).<br><br>About the Irish Coyne, etc., name ... I wonder if our friends of the Celtic<br>and Celtophile pursuations could help us here. I have a hunch that it goes<br>
back not to 'barnacle' but to 'barnacle goose', namely Irish _cadhan_<br>['kQ(G)@n] (possibly onomatopoetic in origin, based on the call of the<br>goose, "caw"). 'Barnacle', 'limpet' is _báirneach_ in Irish (cf. Scot.<br>
Gaelic _b� irneach_, Welsh _brenig_, Cornish _brennic_, Manx _bayrnag_,<br>_baarnagh_, _barnagh_, all supposedly going back to Middle English<br>_bernekke_, which comes from Medieval Latin _bernaca_). Another Celtic word<br>
group for 'barnacle goose' is represented by Old Irish _giugrann_ > Irish<br>_giodhrán_ (~ _giùran_), Welsh *_gegurannâ_ > _gwyrain_; cf. Arran Island<br>Irish, _giúraing_ '(destructive) barnacle'.<br>
<br>Confused enough for a day, Marsha?<br><br>How exciting about your upcoming marriage! Please let us know when so we<br>can send you congratulations and best wishes. We've had weddings on<br>Lowlands-L before, but never with any fanfares and rice throwing.<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron</font></pre><font style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" size="2"><br></font><br>