<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 29 February 2008 - Volume 04<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">-------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Please set the encoding mode to Unicode (UTF-8).</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">If viewing this in a web browser, please click on</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">the html toggle at the bottom of the archived page.</span><br>
=========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Morgan</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mwmosaka@gmail.com">mwmosaka@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.02.28 (02) [E]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hey Lowlands brahs an titas , Namaskar!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Okay, here in Bombay --
oops, sorry Mumbai; don't want to be politically incorrect (though
being historically incorrect seems to be quite okay!), as there were
riots here recently, directed this time against fellow Indians from
northern parts (UP and Bihar), and Maratha sensitivities seem to be
very touchy ... don't know if there are any Thackeray's on the list,
but, if so, hope they are NOT respelled Thakare's!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Okay, I
have been WAY too busy to follow each and every LOWLANDS-List message
(shame on me!); they are however saved in a folder for when I DO get
the time. And since today I am sick (nothing serious, just a light flu
or some such bug), I thought I would "treat" myself. SO, I am taking an
hour maybe and reading recent LOWLANDS List mailings, and then later
another hour and reading recent SIOUAN List mailings (my TWO favorite
lists, perhaps for similar reasons!)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The second one I opened had Ron's notes on the etymology of enclosures (German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Zaun</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 'fence', Low Saxon </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Tuun</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 'fence' ~ 'garden', Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">toen</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 'garden', but Scots </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">toon</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 'town', English "</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">town</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"
etc, and he mentioned a similar etymological link between "thing
enclosing" (cf English verb gird from the related IE verbal root *</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">gherdh-</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">)
and "thing enclosed" (English "yard" and related "garden"). The same IE
*ĝhordo- "woven branches (for fencing)" we have for yard and garden
(and also Welsh </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">garth</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> "pen, fold") is in fact the root for Common Slavic *gard, which through metathesis etc gives all the </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">'s and </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>gorod</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">'s we maybe are familair with (from Russian Lenin</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Nov</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>gorod</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, and Ukrainian Kirovo</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>hrad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (Кірово</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>град</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) and Polish Biało</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>gard</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Wyszo</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>gród</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> in the north, to Bulgarian Blagoev</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> and Serbian Beo</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (Bel</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grade</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) in the south. AND, lest we forget an all important element in this etymology: English vine</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">yard</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Dutch wijn</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">gaard</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Swedish: vin</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">gård</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Icelandic vín</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">garð</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ur, etc are exact cognates with Russian вино</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>град</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ник "vineyard", Slovene vino</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>grad</b></i> -dittto-... and lest we forget one section of both Praha (Prague) and Bratislawa is called Vino<i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>hrad</b></i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">y "vineyards"!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">again, namaskar!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">MWM || マイク || Мика || माईक</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">================</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dr Michael W Morgan</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Managing Director</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ishara Foundation</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mumbai (Bombay), India</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">++++++++++++++++</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">माईकल मोर्गन (पी.एच.डी.)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
मेनेजिंग डॉयरेक्टर</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ईशारा फॉउंडेशन (मुंबई )</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">++++++++++++++++</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">茂流岸マイク(言語学博士)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">イシャラ基金の専務理事・事務局長</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ムンバイ(ボンベイ)、インド</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Jorge Potter</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:jorgepot@gmail.com">jorgepot@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.02.22 (04) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br>
</span><div style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">Dear Ron and Lowlanders,</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">You wrote:</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"><font size="3">I
guess one is tempted to ask what this says about me and my ancestors.
But I happen to know that my paternal grandfather, conceived in Eastern
Prussia, got the surname Hahn by way of adoption in Holstein. So I'm
not a Hahn by blood.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">Since
High German is the only language I have ever studied formally, I always
thought that your surname was "Rooster". In part for this reason, I
have been fascinated by the recent discussion of the forms of <i>haag</i>, <i>hedge</i>, etc in the various Lowlands varieties. And of all the names of members that have written in over the last couple of months.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">In
this list I think I know the meaning of a few, but even then can never
be sure. Some are really fascinating. It would be amazing if a Denkers
clan could develop from one person given to thinking things through, or
the Zinssers from somebody who always went about making sense.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">Member Dreyer isn't in the OED, but <i>drayer</i>, <i>dreyman</i> and <i>drayman</i>
are, all meaning a carter. Not a word in my Dutch and German
dictionaries. A name ending in "-gren" could come from the same root as
in Dutch <i>grens</i>. The first and last stems in Roerdinkholder are obvious, but I can't find the middle one.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">Basil
Cottle traces Potter to Old English and considers it an occupational
name, though it's well known that many Smiths, Potters, etc., merely
lived near a pottery or smithy, rather than working at it themselves.
OED traces the first use of the word <i>potter</i> to 1100. Interestingly, Le Petit Robert traces the first use of <i>potier </i>to 1120, and our family always said we went back to the Normans for no reason known to me.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3">The
ending on Hellinckx makes me wonder if it's a genitive. The borough in
New York City now called "the Bronx" was actually Mr. Bronck's farm.
Masure and de Fries certainly sound ethnic. Visscher and Meiboom sound
obvious, but who knows?</font></p>
</div><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><br clear="all">
</span>
<table style="border: medium none ; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: times new roman,serif;" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Bas</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Becker</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Bloomgren</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Brandsma</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Bronemann</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Buck</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Bungenburg</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Clarke</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Davenport</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">de Fries</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">de Jong</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Denkers</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Desnerck</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Dreesman</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Dreyer</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Dujardin</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Evenhuis</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Finlow-Bates</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Fonken</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Hellinckx</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Homan</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Hülsey</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Kreimer</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Lessing</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Like</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Masure</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="border: medium none ; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: times new roman,serif;" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Mc Rae</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Meibohm = Meiboom</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Onsman</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Parish</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Potter</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Raidt</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Rendall</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Rodenburg</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Roerdinkholder</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Simpson</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Strunk</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Thijs</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Tietz</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">van Brederode</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">van Woerkom</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Veenker</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Verhoft</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Victorie</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Visscher</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Ward</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Wintzer</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Woltman</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Zinsser</p></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: rgb(236, 233, 216) windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 2.9in; background-color: transparent;" valign="top" width="278">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Zweep</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3">I
could go on forever, imagining what every name means…but, is it
possible that any of you would be moved to explain online what your
names really mean?</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3">Lost in Puerto Rico,</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3"> </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: times new roman,serif;"><font size="3">Jorge Potter</font></p><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi, Mike and Jorge! It's great to hear from both of you for a change.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Jorge, I'm holding my little tongue (or fingers, as it were) regarding the origin of the names.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I just wanted to let you know that your name has three basic equivalents in Germany:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<ul style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><li>Eastern German: <i>Töpfer</i> (cf. German <i>Topf</i> 'pot')</li><li>Southern German: <i>Hafner</i> ~ <i>Haffner</i> ~ <i>Häffner </i>~ <i>Heffner (cf. Hafen</i><i> ~ Haffe </i>'(clay) pot')</li>
<li>Low Saxon: <i>P</i><i>ötter</i> (cf. <i>Pott</i> 'pot')<br></li></ul><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Occurring more rarely are surnames based on other old German words for 'potter'; e.g.,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<ul style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><li><span style="font-size: 9pt;"><i>Düppenbäcke</i>r ~ <i>Döppe</i></span><span style="font-size: 9pt;"><i>r </i></span><span style="font-size: 9pt;">(mostly in the Rhine region)</span></li>
<li><i><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Krugbäcker</span></i></li><li><i><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Kannenbäcker</span></i></li><li><span style="font-size: 9pt;"><i>Auler</i> ~ <i>Äuler</i> ~ <i>Euler</i></span></li></ul>
<span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Nice to see that your tables came through, at least in HTML mode. Let's hope they'll survive the server distribution process.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br></span>