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=========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology"<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Beste Ron,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
You wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">German: Schilling(er), Pfenni(n)g(er),
Helling(er)</span><br>
</div>
<br>
I take it then
this is not the same as the old <i>Heller</i>. That was a <i>Pfennig</i> minted in
Schwäbisch-Hall, thus <i>Haller</i> > <i>Häller</i> > <i>Heller</i>.<br>
</blockquote>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Right you are, a Heller is different, being a Southern German invention
that only came to the North after the 15th century. Grimm concurs and
considers halber > haller impossible in High German:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">HALLER</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,</span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">HÄLLER</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> m.</i><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" name="11896308e8a9f8df_GH01388L1"><em>1)</em> </a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">nummulus,
obolus. die gemeine meinung, dasz diese münze ihren namen von der
reichsstadt Schwäbisch-Hall, wo sie zuerst geprägt sei, empfangen habe,
und dasz</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> haller </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">elliptisch statt</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Haller pfenning </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">stehe,
wird dadurch gestützt, dasz in Schwäbisch-Hall schon frühe und
reichlich münzen nach eigenem wertsystem geprägt wurden, die einer
gröszern verbreitung genossen, und dasz wie es</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Haller pfund </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">gab</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
(quadringentas libras Hallenses. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Du Cange v.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">H</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ENSCHEL</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 3, 618</span><sup style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">c</sup><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">), </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">so auch bei</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">S</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">CHM.</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 2, 168 haller phenning </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">nachgewiesen
werden, für welche bereits um</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 1300 </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">die lateinische bezeichnung</i>
Hallenses <i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">statt</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> denarii Hallenses </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">üblich war. dem gegenüber
haben ältere forscher, namentlich</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">F</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">RISCH</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">und</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">A</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">DELUNG,</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">die
ansicht verfochten, dasz</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> haller </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">von</i> halb <i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">nicht zu
trennen und auch etymologisch mit der gleichwertigen münze</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> helbling
(</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">s. d.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">in engen zusammenhang zu stellen sei; aber diese
ansicht fällt, da</i> haller <i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">erweislich eine oberdeutsche münze mit
oberdeutschem namen ist, die sich erst im</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 15. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">jahrh. bis nach
Niederdeutschland verbreitet</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (denarios hallenses </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">auch in
Friesland,</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">R</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ICHTHOFEN</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 793</span><sup style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">a</sup><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">)
</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">und im oberdeutschen</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> halber </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">sich nicht in</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> haller </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">assimilieren
kann. gleicher bildung wie</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> haller </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">sind</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> thaler, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">früher</i>
Joachimsthaler, <i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">das von Joachimsthal kommende,</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> Schreckenberger,
</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">das aus der grube Schreckenberg bei Annaberg stammende geldstück,
ferner</i> Münchner, Wiener, Regenspurger, <i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">s.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">S</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">CHM.</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 2, 168. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">neben der form</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> haller, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">mhd.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
hallære (</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">wb.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 1, 613</span><sup style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">a</sup><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">erscheint die umgelautete
form</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> heller, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">über die an ihrem orte weiter gesprochen wird,
zuerst im</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> 15. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">jahrh.,</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> häller, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">was noch</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">L</em><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ESSING</em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (3, 72) </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">braucht, etwas
später.<br>
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</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Kind greetings,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
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Luc Hellinckx</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">