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=========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark Dreyer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (03) [E/German]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font size="2">Dear Ron & All:</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>Subject: Etymology<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>>> So I
take it this <i>helling</i> and <i>hellen</i> are related to English
"hill."<br><br>> If so, perhaps the original meaning was less "slope" than
"be elevated."<br><br></div>Yes, Ron, & what about tyhe words 'Heil' &
'Heilige'? While terminology may differ totally between language, metaphor
differs rather less, & we all raise up what we admire, however we express
it.</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Yrs,</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mark</div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Beste Ron,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
You wrote:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">So I take it this <i>helling</i> and <i>hellen</i>
are related to English "hill."<br>
<br>
If so, perhaps the original meaning was less "slope" than "be elevated."<br>
</blockquote>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"Hill" ultimately derives from *kel (to rise); but opinions on the PIE
root of "hellen" seem to be divided: some trace it back indeed to *kel
as well, but others favor a link with *klei, which produced words like
"incline", "decline", "recline", "clitoris", "climate", "climax", "to
lean" and so forth, all having a slope of some sort in common.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Kind greetings,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
<br>
Luc Hellinckx</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Maria Elsie Zinsser</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@icon.co.za">ezinsser@icon.co.za</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (01) [A/D/E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi all,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thanks, Luc! </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Very interesting. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Elsie</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><font size="3">>From: <span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Luc Hellinckx</span> <span><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: </font><font size="3">LL-L "Etymology"<br><br>Beste Elsie<br><br>You wrote:<br></font>
<blockquote type="cite">Ithought the origin of '<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hellinckx' m</font>ight derive from theword 'helling' (A) <br>as in oppositeto a flat area, similar to name such as Van der Heuvel?<br>
</blockquote>
<p>"Helling" and
"hellen" (to slope) are natively not Southern Dutch;Kiliaan (16th c.)
already labelled them as typically Holl., which stoodfor "Hollandish";
so I don't think my family name (attested well beforeKiliaan) has any
relation to a slope. Thanks for the hint though <span>;-) </span>.<br><br>By the way, the Dutch word "helling", for a slip dock, entered Russianas "éling" (shipyard).<br><br>Kind greetings,<br><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Luc Hellinckx</font></p></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Diederik Masure</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span><span class="lDACoc"></span><span class="lDACoc"></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.13 (05) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ah, 'talu' is neem 'k oan t woord wor as 'k nòr (achter?) òn 't zuuke was... (baerg en helling zèn toch ni iëlegaens etzelfste)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And Ron, the OED proves you right as to the relationship hill/helling.
Scandinavian/Norwegian "hall", helling/slope. And besides
hallende/hallande and halling. skråning seems to be the most frequently
used word though, in written language at least (in my own experience). </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Interesting
is that this hall comes from hallr, stone. OED says the root khel- is
supposed to mean something like "to elevate", so I guess the meaning
"stone" is secondary. Another related word is "helle"/"hella", the verb
"to pour". </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Diederik</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">