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<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 29 March 2008 - Volume 03<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
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========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL">ingmar.roerdinkholder@WORLDONLINE.NL</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L "Words" 2008.03.28 (06) [E]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Yes, the examples from Drentse Taol I gave are homonyms, not real faux</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
amis. So: words that are pronounced and spelt the same in Low Saxon and</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Dutch, but have a different meaning. But it is still fun, I think.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And isn't a word like "grommen" = "to snow softly" just wonderful? I mean,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
you wouldn't expect that directly in a non Inuit language.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ingmar</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="margin-left: 40px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Words<br><br>
Hi, busy word gatherers!<br><br>
Here's a thought or disclaimer regarding the False Friends section of the<br>
new site (<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/beyondthepale/friends.php" target="_blank">http://lowlands-l.net/beyondthepale/friends.php</a>).<br><br>
Some of the supposed false friends in Low Saxon and Dutch our Ingmar kindly<br>
gave us are really no false friends, and I'm not sure about some:<br><br>
Aal - all ; eel*<br>
Beun - attic ; interloper ??<br>
Duren - to dare ; to last ??<br>
Grommen - to snow softly ; to growl ??<br>
Heil - whole ; hail/welfare ??<br>
Loos - smart/intelligent ; wrong ??<br>
Lief - body ; sweet/lovely<br>
Maal - ugly/annoying ; meal (*maal* < Fr. *mal* 'bad', 'ill', cf. NLS<br>
*mall*'insane')*<br>
Motten - to mess/spill over ; moths<br>
Sang - purple ; zang = song<br>
Schieten - to shit ; to shoot<br>
Slikken - to snoop ; to swallow ??<br>
Stoet - bread ; procession, row ??<br><br>
*(Low Saxon lengthens short vowels before sonorants by rule, and in the<br>
Netherlands this is written as though it were genuinely long; e.g. *aal* =<br>
*<br>
al* 'all', *laand* = *land* 'land', 'country'.)<br><br>
Anyway, the unmarked examples are not false friends but unrelated<br>
sound-alikes. I strongly vote against including those, because that would<br>
open us up for a flood of such words, and I find it more educational if we<br>
limited it to genuine false friends. So, for now at least I've added this<br>
disclaimer:<br><br>
First popularized under the French name *faux amis*, "false friends" are<br>
expressions that are *clearly related* but have different meanings in two<br>
languages. (This does not include words that sound alike without being<br>
related, the type for which Teresa Dowlatshahi coined the term<br>
"*shoecabbage<<a href="http://www.gocomics.com/shoecabbage/" target="_blank">http://www.gocomics.com/shoecabbage/</a>><br>
*.")<br><br>
The cases with ?? are those about which I am not sure and need help with.<br><br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br></div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">jonny</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Words" 2008.03.28 (06) [E]</span><br><br><div id="1fw3" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">
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<div><span><font face="Courier New">Hi,
Ron!</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="#008080">> Heil -
whole ; hail/welfare ??</font></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">In our Low Saxon we
say 'de heile (heyle, heele) Dag', meaning 'the whole day', whilst in
German the word 'Heil' as a noun primarily means 'salvation', and the verb
'heilen' is 'to cure'. So I would like to see the pair as False Friends between
e.g. Low Saxon and Standard German.</font></span></div>
<div> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">And additional
English 'hail' (for German 'Hagel') could have been another pair- but
no longer, after your definition:</font></span></div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div><span><font face="Courier New"><font color="#008080" face="Arial">> This does not include words that sound alike without being
related,</font> </font></span></div>
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<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">But there's
another constellation I'd like to suggest to add to 'False
Friends':</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>English <strong>'pregnant':</strong>
"carrying developing offspring within the body or being about to produce new
life" (WorldWeb)</span></div>
<div><span>German <strong>'praegnant'</strong>:
'concise'</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">---------------------------------------</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">And what about
these?</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">Category: 'Words to
Confuse'</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">(and now Sandy
might cry ;-))</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><span><strong>Scots</strong>(1): inhabitants of
Scotland</span></span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(2): a language,
'Lowland Scots'</span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(3): Scottish
English</span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(4): the Scottish
Gaelic language</span></div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">---------------------------------</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">Category: 'Words to
Confuse'</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>English <strong>'slave'</strong>: a person
deprived of personal freedom and human rights, mainly preyed for heavy labor or
service</span></div>
<div><span>English '<strong>Slav'</strong>: a member of
Slavic peoples, an ethnical and etymological group mainly living in Eastern
Europe </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">----------------------------------</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span><font face="Courier New">(Perhaps any native
speakers could add their endorsements.)</font></span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div align="left">Allerbest!</div>
<div align="left"> </div><font color="#888888">
<div align="left">Jonny Meibohm</div></font></div>
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From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: Words</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thanks, Ingmar and Jonny!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ingmar, I totally agree that cases like </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">grommen</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> are really neat. I'm trying to come up with a way, a category, that allows us to include them without being open to a flood of shoecabbages. Any idea, anyone?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thanks for your submissions also, Jonny. I particularly like the "pregnant" one.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">English "slave" and "Slav" are not pronounced alike. But Low Saxon </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Slaav'</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> denotes either. So it a word to confuse in Low Saxon then, isn't it?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div><span><span><strong>Scots</strong>(1): inhabitants of
Scotland</span></span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(2): a language,
'Lowland Scots'</span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(3): Scottish
English</span></div>
<div><span><strong>Scots</strong>(4): the Scottish
Gaelic language</span></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I say, "Nah!" (1) is a plural form. Gaelic is referred to as "Scots Gaelic," hardly as "Scots." And the confusion between Scots the language and Scottish English has more to do with education and attitude. At least this is </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">my</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> take.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">By the way, our Sandy doesn't strike me as being the crying type. If he can't blow stuff out of the water in one fell swoop he'll invite you to dance the tango, and he dances no mean tango, as I know from earlier days.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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