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<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">=========================================================================<br>L O W L A N D S - L - 17 April 2008 - Volume 01<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
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========================================================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe"><span class="EP8xU" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark Dreyer</span> <span class="lDACoc"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="HcCDpe">LL-L "Phonology" 2008.04.16 (03) [E]<br><br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Dear All:</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: LL-L
"Phonology"</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="Ih2E3d">
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<div>> The
neanderthal's<br>> voice, to be sure, is no
belcanto, but I can't quite<br>> see the difference
to<br>> today's humans' voices. In
fact I know people who<br>> sound like the<br>> neanderthaler</div>
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</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">What worries me is
the presumption that fossil records should be presumed to suffice to that degree
to predict a <b>dissimilarity</b> in the Neanderthal's
capacity for articulation!</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hear me: What we read
down here makes pressing point of the fossil record extrapolation of the
Neanderthal's vocal chords!!! Can I be so wrong in my averral that vowels are
ALL articulated in the mouth with mouth-parts, & all are involved
entirely locating the acoustic space higher or lower, further forward or back to
produce the full vocal range (vocal = vowel).</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I insist that a
healthy mouth capable of moving a bolus of masticated food anywhere
with the tongue, lips, teeth & soft palate can trap an acoustic space
in the same point, from 'b<b>e</b>d' right between the teeth to
'b<b>a</b>rd' right up against the glottis, &, pouting to
extend the space, 'b<b>u</b>tter', RP English far down to
'b<b>u</b>tter' Northern English right up, with the schwa between.
True, there are some vowels some English for example can't make (or interpret),
but it is a matter of habituation, not structural disability. They can learn. If
an African Grey parrot can manage a full gamut of vowels & vocal glides,
sure as eggs is eggs so could a Neanderthal. I wonder if those savants that find
this presumption hard to take are not suffering from racial
snobbery?</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Yrs,</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mark<br><br>----------<br><br><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
Subject: Etymology<br><br>Dear Lowlanders,<br><br>Having listened to a part of the Pope's homile delivered during a mass at Yankee Stadium today, I was reminded again that what the average US American considers a "typical" German accent is a Bavarian or an otherwise southern one, no doubt because of the predominance of Southerners among German immigrants in this country and because of Americans military personnel's experience in Southern Germany, which has also been touted as being "typical Germany" and thus is a major tourism region.<br>
<br>While most German "accent" features are shared by Southerners and Northerners, I was also reminded that a striking difference between them at least used to be the pronunciation of the initial "j" sound in English (as e.g. in "<b>j</b>oke" and "<b>j</b>eer"). While most Northerners can pronounce it the general English way, Southerners tend to pronounce it as though it were a "ch" sound (as e.g. in "<b>ch</b>oke" and "<b>ch</b>eer"). Being a Bavarian, the current pope has this southern pronunciation, as has the current governor of California (Arnold Schwarzenegger, a born and bred Austrian).<br>
<br>I contend that traditionally Northerners do not have this "problem" because Low Saxon and Missingsch are traditionally used in their environment, and most of their varieties in the Northern Low Saxon range share this sound with English (e.g. in <b><i>j</i></b><i>ung</i> 'young' and <i><b>J</b>ahr</i> 'year').<br>
<br>Now, quite a bit of water has flowed under the bridge since my glory days or yore when we pronounced even "straight" German with a strong Low Saxon accent. In general, the Northern accent has been watered down thanks to population mixing and the strong influences of the electronic media. The average, "younger" North German now sounds pretty mainstream German to me, with only hues instead of colors of the North. Most of them cannot speak Low Saxon and have "atrocious" German accents when they try to do so, mostly because they learn it through the distorting veil of the poorly conceived and implemented German-based orthography.<br>
<br>Therefore I wonder if younger North Germans these days tend to pronounce English "j" as "ch" or if most of them still do a convincing "j" sound like their predecessors did and do.<br><br>
Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron</span></font></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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